Remove the Debuff Cap / Buff Cap, Make WoW Fun Again!

100% stone dead; players love the WB meta, anyone that denies how popular it is; they crazy.

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Yup.

Even world buff haters know their no buff server will be dead.

But that is the fair solution. They know an overwhelming amount of people like them

I think everyone likes world buffs.

Nobody likes getting them.

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I like getting rend on horde, ony and zg. It’s cool to see the lightning hit a thousand people in the city at the same time and seeing the flavor text speeches from the npcs. The others aren’t as exciting.

That, and/or don’t like getting killed with them. In which case there was always a fix for that by playing pve server. It really is a good suggestion for people who don’t want to deal with that.

Yup, its just a plain fact.

Its why I have just come to accept the idea of ultra hard PvE or even PvE that presents a challenge is kinda dumb from a design perspective in the present gaming culture. Not saying everything should be LFR easy like post nerf MC, but BWL post nerf like we have right now; I think that is the perfect difficulty level where players can wipe, but they can easily progress too.

I think the theme of the raid; how it looks when you are inside is also real important, I know no one who likes the look of AQ40, but many like the looks of BWL.

I think loot distribution is also important; and the token drop system of AQ+ is boring and no one has the same sort of OMG my item dropped like you get with MC / BWL loot drops, even if it takes longer to gear that way.

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I would make the argument that the reason World Buffs are still “desirable” is because removing them didn’t appreciably increase the difficulty of the content that removing them was intending to affect.

World Buffs were only removed in raid instances, it’s not like they stopped existing. They could still be used on world bosses and other group/raid activities outside of specifically instances.

The problem is that without the buffs, vanilla raids/bosses still fall over pretty easy.

If the difference between buffs or no buffs meant vanilla bosses got more excruciating I can bet you it’d be a more popular avenue of play, playing with buffs would then be seen as the “casual” route, but as it stands, the difference isn’t big enough to the actual base difficulty, and thus, not having buffs is more just seen as slowing down your raid times rather than actually increasing the difficulty.

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Aq40 is great I just wish aesthetically it leaned just a little more into the ancient Egyptian vibe than it does but overall it’s really fun. I agree that token turn ins are boring like nothing else though.

It didn’t help much that no world buffs meant just farm more consumes.

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Not at all.

You can say that again:

WoW Classic will direct you to the new Classic Era realms which will have the latest phase of WoW Classic content in it and will not progress into any WoW expansion content.”

Like parts of AQ are cool, but most of it is underground tunnels like just a bug version of MC, without any fire.

As accurate as it gets.

I don’t disagree with that. I think removing the caps on buffs and debuffs while keeping everything else the same is probably the more fun solution, and as a player I care more about that and class uniqueness than balance, esp. In vanilla.

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It’s also fair to probably say that letting people do whatever they want in terms of buffs/debuffs doesn’t really drastically effect the actual overall balance of the DPS tier rankings or the class balance in general.

I would honestly be in favor of that “change”.

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Yup, Full BiS warrior just scales like mad because rage stops being a resource after a point and the only thing slowing you down after that is the GCD.

Fixing rage to a static value per hit would fix the problem… hell, I would even leave Fury Warriors slightly better than combat in PvE for one very good reason…

I dont want to make the population of rogues grow… I dont want rogue nerfed, but too many of any class is bad. IMO its bettet to have too many zugs fighting over the same gear making my selfish efforts to gear non-warrior alts EZ sauce.

I wear a couple leather pieces😛. silly rogue, gear is for warriors.

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I would say my wizard loot is safe, but jokes on me “FLASK SET”

That’s one thing people don’t look at. Imagine gearing 15 warriors in one raid when you could just be the Druid and get everything for free or a lock.

It’s the same reason I play shaman. You unironically gain bis pve and pvp gear in bwl and especially aq by just participating cause of your sets.

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Sorry my warrior needs spell damage gear for my ancient hakkari manslayer spell build

Exactly! Want to epic gear a druid in nearly a single MC because druid leather ALWAYS drops? No proble “ill heal bro”

Boom!

You have that too? Thats awesome. I need to rebuild both my healing and spell power sets. Time to make some clothies cry. I also put lifestealing on my manslayers.