Remove the ‘timer’ from M+ and replace it with a ‘death counter’

Except you did comment on a comment about changing how keys are completed in a topic about how keys should be changed.

Exactly how words and definitions work… Look up the definition for “yeet” on Merriam-Webster

You have an idea about how to play the game, at a low heroic level, don’t sell yourself short.

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It has relevance because you are sitting here arguing with players who have been playing M+ as their main content for multiple seasons and expansions while you pretend to be experienced in it.

When you don’t. Your only “achievements” were bought, not earned. Then you sat there and tried to pretend again that you could flip the switch and simply outplay me.

You can keep trying to argue that bringing up your experience is detracting from the topic when in fact is closely tied to it.

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Seems like you and my 16 year old have more in common than I thought.

But in all seriousness, we are actually glad you are a part of the game. Someone needs to feed the boosting (aka carry) community.

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Damn I shouldn’t have unfollowed this thread.

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I must be part of the 10%. My main achieved KSH without issue. It isn’t hard to time keys, just got know the dungeon.

I don’t want a death timer if you will to replace the current game play. I don’t want to spend 3 hours in a pug group because you want to marvel at the walls.

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Now who is looking in their own mirror? You. Haha!!

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My guy. I see you getting on this high horse in so many post. I’ll tell you a secret that you probably already know (and it’s why you puff up your chest in here so much). Your experience in M+ doesn’t entail your opinion on its health is more than someone else’s. The fact that you pugged your way to 3k io means absolutely nothing, except maybe that you’re a bit masochistic. You’re score indicates experience with the content, but it does not indicate that you’re an expert on what’s good/bad for it. Ultimately, you’re giving your opinion on the functionality and accessibility of a piece of content in a video game. A. Video. Game. You’re literally pushing buttons and looking at add-ons, and you’re doing it at an above average level. You’re not some athlete at peak performance, entrepreneur, mergers and acquisitions, or savant here. Go outside and touch grass.

Happy to help. Your back handed comments don’t matter, Merrde, because you don’t matter.

  1. I barely use any addons.
  2. You say all of this edge stuff while you boast about how you could easily outplay me. You contradict yourself constantly.
  3. Your only M+ experience is from this season. You literally have no idea what you are talking about and it’s clear that you are just parroting streamers.

There ya go conflating. I didn’t comment about how it works. That’s not how words work. A community can’t just change a meaning to suite its preference.

There’s no conflating. You dug your heels in, made multiple accusatory statements that were proven to be false, and now you are trying to back pedal by playing the “I’m a victim” card.

You’ve proved nothing false. Whose acting like a victim here? Not me. My guy, if you want to go out back and handle this like men we can. Otherwise, move along.

Started with this. Misusing the term “cherry picking”.

This was another thing you continued to repeat. You must be new here, but I definitely do not appeal to the masses or try to.

You got upset after I called you out for buying carries by turning around and saying that you could out perform me. You have nothing on record that shows this. Even your logs are Grey and Green which means you are performing below-average statistically for your class and ilvl.

  1. Boosting is getting a carry. They are one in the same.
  2. You used another phrase you don’t understand. You meant to say “they are not mutually exclusive”.

Here’s another phrase you don’t understand. Just because people disagree with you en mass doesn’t mean they are jumping on the bandwagon. The phrase is meant for when people favor one thing then switch over to the other side when they start to become more popular. These people were never on your side to begin with.

This is pure levels of irony seeing how you are constantly opening your mouth using phrases you don’t understand and talking about M+ when you have no experience and all your achievements were bought.

I didn’t state that I am an expert in the content because of my score. It’s a factor of many. I have pugged over 1,000 timed keys across multiple expansions and almost every season. All of these factors allow me to say I know the content and how things would impact pugs. It’s not about the score.

You are.

I’m done with you after this.

Stop saying I’ve commented on M+. In this whole back and forth I haven’t given my opinion about what the OP even suggested. Funnily enough, I actually agree with you that taking the timer away would be bad. My whole issue with you was your delivery. You then took it down another road and here we are.

I’m not misusing the term. You cherry pick data. A lot. In fact, you’re cherry picking in this reply to me, by taking snippets. It’s common when you’re trying to win an argument. I get it. Your Ad Hominem’s are getting old though.

That’s not how it works my guy. You can go against the masses in one post/subject and appeal to them in another. Do you not understand this? When you prop your argument up with what you feel or think the majority is aligned with then you’re appealing to the masses. You have, in fact, done that.

I’m not upset that you talked about me buying runs. I don’t care. I know why I bought them, and it’s not because I lack the skill to do the content. I find it funny, tbh. That you had to resort to ad hominem says enough. That you had to cherry pick logs shows it even further.

There ya go cherry picking again. You discount the better ones to suite your argument. As a tank I won’t outperform you. As a DPS, yep I will.

Call it what you want at this point. I really don’t care. If you want to be a grammar cop, go right ahead. It’s par for the course for you at this point.

I’d need context on the bandwagon comment. As it stands, I’m not going to sift through all this to find it. Once again, you’re cherry picking.

I have no experience in M+? If you say so. It hasn’t changed all the much since Legion and BFA. I have enough experience with M+, and games in general, to know when a piece of content has issues. Your “1000’s of keys over many seasons” doesn’t make you better at identifying an issue over someone else. If just gives you more opportunity.

No, you didn’t state you were an expert. You’re damn sure acting like it though. What are you an expert of, exactly? Pushing buttons? Once again my friend. This. Is. A. Video. Game. You’re merely giving your opinion based on what you “think.” Case in point, you don’t actually know if putting a death counter over a timer would be overall bad for the content. You “feel” and “think” it would because you don’t want it. You try to justify your stance with “data” but ultimately it’s not like the data is actually good. It’s not like it had rigorous standards placed upon it.

I’m done with you. I’ve given entirely too much energy to arguing with a complete stranger over word usage and matters of opinion. Merry Christmas though.

You said this before and I’m sure you will again. You stated that nothing you said was false, yet when I pointed them all out you call it cherry picking. Lmao.

Touching grass is a good thing, too bad you don’t do this yourself and you know I’m right. Your feelings are hurt by someone who is right, and this is your way of lashing out by putting people down and in a illogical childish way – it really screams newb.

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Means he is more qualified to speak on it than you.

Lawl

Except they really have, the reason you can’t tell is because you where probably dead for most of the pulls.

You are doing the same things, but you don’t use the quote system, so everyone has to try to figure out what you are talking about in between paragraphs. Kind of inconsiderate my dude

So far, you lacking the skills to do the content is the only thing you have shown.

I only matter to about a +11. Too bad you can’t say the same.

You will be back, you are getting way too much attention on this post not to come back. I’m sorry your parents didn’t give you enough of it when you where younger, but don’t worry we got you bud!

Ps: I wish I could touch grass I work nights, and grass just isn’t the same when it’s dark outside :frowning:

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Here’s an idea, Relove the death Count, remove the timer, and remove the affixes baseline, and add the option for the group to add them back in for more rewards at the end of the dungeon. You could use a blend of the delve system to set the M+ level and get timer or death count or affix keystones rather than dealing with depletion. Give the players more choice in the difficulty scaling of the content.

Can’t wait for all of the people who think they aren’t timing keys because of a timer never time a key again because they die too much to be carried through a key.

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No. Most of yall complaining about the timer will suck whether or not it exists or no, so there is no point in changing. A lot of those complaining have a severe lack of understanding of the M+ system itself and support this no timer mode because of that. Just look at the arguments that have been posted here.

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