Remove the ‘timer’ from M+ and replace it with a ‘death counter’

How am I deflecting? You made a claim saying that I was making inferences based on my personal preference. I even told you to point to where I did.

Did you forget that you started this by engaging with me?

You keep repeating this as if you think it makes you sound profound. Lmao.


By the way, how much did the +10 carries cost you?

i have pointed to where you’ve made inferences. it’s not my problem if you refuse to see if.

i did engage you. And i deem you as being tiresome at this point.

There’s nothing profound about it. Don’t get butthurt because i called out your fallacy.

wasn’t carried. bit nice deflection and attempt to discredit with irrelevancy. you’re not particularly good at this.

I made inferences, but not based off of “personal preferences”. Nice try moving goal posts.

You literally were. Don’t even try to hide it. You timed +10s where almost all of them happened last week with a guy in a guild literally called “MithiCarry”. He was in 3 of the runs with the same healer and dps. Two other runs with another full squad. All of your runs were carried and their mains are all ~3k+.

You went from struggling to time +8s to getting nearly all +10s timed in the same week from two teams.

MithiCarry LMAO “I wasn’t carried” LOLLLLLL

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and yet ill still out perform you. the fact that i have funds to ensure i have a competent group doesn’t mean I myself was carried. a “carry” entails I don’t participate or contribute in any meaningful manner. that definitely wasn’t the case.

again, your attempt to discredit things with irrelevant jabs shows the weakness of your arguments and shows that i’ve hit a bit close
to home. i didn’t even disagree with you on the original premise when you disagreed with the OP. i disagree with your appeals to masses and bullcrap usage of weak data.

this conversation is going nowhere. i’m
sure i’ll be coming at you in another post n the near future. you do love to spew drivel.

If you’re paying gold for the privilege to group with people, you are 100% carried.

It doesn’t matter if you paid to skip content that you’ve already done, it’s still a carry.

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  • Ara-Kara +8:
    • 793k DPS
    • 4 deaths
  • CoT +8:
    • 824k DPS
    • All 2 deaths from you
  • SoB +8:
    • 807k DPS
    • All 3 deaths from you
  • NW +8:
    • 989k DPS
    • 6 deaths

Who are you trying to kid? You are green/low-blue parsing.

If you paid money, then it is in fact a carry.
If you are the sole person in the group that is 300+ score below everyone else, then it is in fact a carry.

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in “fact” huh. There you go cherry picking data again. Like I said, I’ll still out perform you. In fact, I guarantee I would. I digress though, as you are trying to deflect away from the topic at hand. You’re really, really, bad at this.

Someone is…

You paid 4 other people, all of whom with a higher score to do the dungeon with you and can’t seem to understand or accept that you are, by definition, a carry.

I love when people try to put weight to their words with things like “by definition.” It’s like the over use of “literally.” Words mean things and conflation is a thing. I don’t think it’s me that doesn’t understand these two things.

Also, I have no shame in pay competent people. Two things can be true, after all. Move along.

You paid better players to help you complete keys 2 higher than you had done on your own. That is like the textbook example of boosting.

I’m not suggesting you have shame, people can play the game however they want. But it sure looks like you have some shame when you repeatedly deny something that is obviously true. No matter what you think of your performance, it is absolutely a carry when you pay better players to boost you. It can’t be true that you got boosted and you weren’t a carry. Those two sets are mutually exclusive. Move along.

Boosting doesn’t entail carry. They’re mutually exclusive, but they tend to ride in the same car. Once again with a misunderstanding of words. And no, I have no shame. Nice try though. Move along.

Other than the fact it does, sure.

Ok, Whatever you say buddy

if you weren’t ashamed, you wouldn’t be fighting so hard against it.

I’ve paid for carries to get my alts up to speed.

Haven’t paid for carries to do stuff I haven’t done though.

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How is it cherry picking? I pointed out multiple data sets that proved you were carried. Then you saying that paying someone for a run doesn’t make it a carry just confirmed it.

Let’s see it then. You are green/blue parsing in damage and lead in deaths in every log.

Yes it does.

I’m honestly just surprised people of this opinion aren’t playing Classic. If I wanted a mostly slow-paced, tank 'n spank gaming experience I would 100% have rolled a toon on a max population Vanilla server.

I suppose the argument could be made for content drought, but if we’re being honest 95% of all content just feels like the same old movement puzzles with a new skin covering it.

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In the absence of funds, you would not have the IO you do, that means you purchased a service that happens to be called a “carry”.

The sheer fact that you had to purchase the “carry” proves that you in fact do NOT out perform him.

My 16 year old pays her own bills, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to let her balance my checkbook.

At the end of the day, if you paid for a carry, own it, no one is mad about that, but your input carries less weight than that of someone with a higher IO. Just like mine carries less weight than that of someone who is pushing super high keys…

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It being called something by a community doesn’t make it so. This should be obvious, but I’m not surprised your jumping on a bandwagon. What are you even talking about? You analogy has nothing to do with what I said.

Our experience within M+ has no relevance on the original argument. None. You people and your appeals to “experts.”

The original argument about fundamentally changing the way M+ works? I think our experience in M+ would have some relevance.

When the perceived majority of the community call it that, then yes it does make it so.

My kids are not able to comprehend the inner workings of a household income, just like you are unable to comprehend the workings of a key larger than an 8.

Now it’s your turn to deflect.

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Except I didn’t have anything to say about the fundamental way M+ works? If you’re going to start running your mouth, at least have context about what you’re running your mouth about.

No, that’s not how words and definitions work.

If you say so. Ya got me, I had never done anything above an 8 before this. I have no idea how to play the game. I’m bringing down the integrity of your hard hard work. on and on and on. Did I cover it?

You people. You bore me