I do, but only because you hordies give me no choice but to kill all 3 of you at once.
I mean if you start your own group you can lol
you literally can get 1800 with your eyes closed as long as you have a competent group.
make your own group. I was 180 ilvl leading RBGs and basically getting a free carry out of it and we went from 1500-2100 mmr. 7-0.
get gud. and i dont mean that in a mean way. I wanted to learn pvp, so i started. its an mmorpg. stuff takes time and effort.
Iâve been doing yolo rbg (in pve gear) and have been successful with them (50% win ratio so far). So Iâd say that youâre wrong that not every player can get in.
says the guy posting on his alt
the game is geared for the no-lifers
the seasonal mount sure, but the armor sets are purely for top end players. in order to replicate that you would need to create the honor grind in a way that only players with 90% win rates or better could conceivably earn the set in a season. that would mean the average 50% or less players would see the size of the grind and feel that they need to play 18 hour days, and they would do nothing but complain.
the shift from 2k to 1800 was part of the rating deflation to make the rating system more realistic. in chess 1800 is elite, you dont get to 2400 or even 2600 unless you are bobby fischer.
if you want to say that 2800 is where the true elites live, then you are telling the devs to basically make custom sets that only a handful of players will ever use, that is not an efficient use of dev resources.
if you got 2k in the past before bfa, that is equal to 1800 now with the rating deflation. the number is smaller, but its more realistic. not to mention that a modern 1800 player could probably run circles around any 2.2k player pre-mop.
Rating is inflated atm, Not deflated
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they canât because theyâve let it compete with pve gear
theyâd have to use scaling or pvp only stats to avoid the competition, and the current devs seem dead set against this
1800 right now is no where near 2200 mop. 2400 rn is like 2200 mop. You have it very opposite. Most players below 2k right now would be in perpetual hell in s12 BG9. Theyâd be rioting on blizzards doorstep.
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So non elites can pay less? And as far as the mounts go, during a later period, you could acquire saddles after 40 wins, no matter what rating?
I donât really get what this question means. If âeliteâ gear is given to everyone, it is literally no longer elite. Itâs just regular gear.
The âeliteâ part means exactly what elite means - a select group of people superior in some measurable way.
If I participate in any sport I donât get what the top players get simply be also playing the sport. If everyone is named an all-star, then no one actually is an all-star.
You can still get saddles from rated bg wins without rating.
75 and 150 win achievements give saddles now (used to give specific mount but you can get it with saddle).
Thanks for the saddle update, a few groups I asked last week seemed to be unsure.
For the other issue, I see players stating they donât have the ability to ever achieve that elite gear. So an option would be, since they are limited to those resources, pay a lower portion. Iâm sure there are groups using tokens to buy carries for elite gear, but was thinking within the spectrum of legal business practice of Blizz.
No worries. I literally just got a 75 win achieve last week and saddle was in mailbox immediately.
I think there needs to be more acceptance of the reality that certain things are not going to be possible for everyone.
There are a ton of old elite sets I wish I had, but thatâs that. And there are sets right now (plate / mail) that I wonât get simply because I donât play classes in those enough.
I like 1800 as the cutoff for the full set. Itâs low enough that itâs achievable, yet high enough that it will require some effort.
I got it for the first time s1 of bfa and it felt really good to mog the elite set on. There was a value to having worked hard and earned it that just wonât exist if we normalize the elite recolor for everyone. Then itâs just a different look.
Same as enchants. Saw some rogue with the sinful enchant on cata legendary daggers and Iâll be damned if Iâm not going to push for 2100 now so I can get it too.
Seeing someone with bloody dancing steel or glorious tyranny is a status symbol of something they achieved.
Just like titles for limited time raid achieves, etc., it shows you did something difficult when it was possible to do so.
1800 this season feels a lot more difficult, but weâre still early and the season will inflate. If people just keep queueing games and finding partners, 1800 becomes an achievable goal.
not really, players put MoP up as a peak of pvp when in reality it was just peak for amount of class abilities. you canât call it peak class design because the primary complaint of MoP was that all classes had the same toolkit. master that toolkit and you mastered basically every class.
if rating was a direct order of ranking then yes, a modern 1800 player would have a harder time in mop, only because mop had more than twice the active subs, so mathematically there is more players to fill out a ladder creating a more accurate level of ranking. however, elo rating is not rank.
They donât need to give elite gear to casual players that is unfair to people that earned the gear.
What they should do is just scale down item levels to like 200ish or so in random BG so new/casual players can still be competitive in them. Rated players would still have a small gear advantage as a reward but it wouldnât be a game breaker.
This way nothing in rated is affected and non-rated types can still have fun in randos and have something to work their way up to. Back in the olden days the only gain for real difference was the weapon now its the whole set makes quite a difference.
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Unfortunately when you gate the improved gear behind rating people feel like they canât compete and they quit.
Iâm all for badass Transmog or mounts behind rating but when it feels like youâre handicapped at lower ratings for being a lower rating itâs not fun.
Making players feel like theyâre not on even footing is not conducive for a healthy PvP environment.
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