Remove lvl 60's from pre-60 pvp

Oh thanks, I love my crayons and glue.

If anyone is trolling that would be you. A level 52 can achieve higher ilvl than a 51… Omg that’s unfair!

A lvl 57 can have a higher ilvl than a scaled down 60… Man that’s unfair to that scaled down 60! He has 220 ilvl, why should this inferior lvl 57 player outgear him.

You make me laugh… Level 60’s are in mid tier gear for the bracket (lvl 56 greens) and you cry… The taste of salt, yummy.

I guess no one was home after all.

Look a fresh 51 somebody who is lvling is going to be around il 50-60. Stop pretending every 51 player is sitting in mythic final raid gear from bfa. That’s already a dishonest argument to make. It’s being willfully ignorant. Beyond that you’re behind by 3-5k hp vs a 60. You have 0 conduits while they can seed meme necro spin flags harder or have extra cc immunities. Beyond all the passives you get from slotting. Maybe it’s not as strong as 60 but it’s a huge advantage.

Tldr you’ll be behind in gear till 59, you’ll never hit as hard even with equal gear and you lack the utility of a maxed renown.

I think you might be struggling to read what I said.

Try again.

Lol okay you’re just trolling. What a joke of a person. Lmfao.

… Okay :slight_smile: Still failure to read what I said… thanks for the laughs.

Quote me on this and where I said a level 51 had decent gear.

When did I make such argument?

I think that might be your reading comprehension.

Where you’re being actual grape head is 60’s sit around 136ish IL. You’re not going to get 140 gear until you’re hitting lvl 58+ Now I know reading is hard for you. You’re doing a lot of projection with that. I get you’ve missed the point and the mark on a lot of this given the replies people give you. So here we’ll use simple words.

60’s have a flat advantage over most/all players in the 51-59 bracket.

Loll… What? You were talking about level 51s and you quote me on something I said about level 57s…

You’re quite amusing. You are also basically saying exactly what I said. This is so funny.

Did you know level 58s+ have a flat advantage over 51s? Should we complain about them?

This isn’t the point. You’re willfully ignoring the whole other half of 60’s being a problem to try and get a gotcha moment. Its really cringe. This is the worst bait I’ve ever seen in the forums.

In case you just didn’t read it.

Now why? Because you don’t have lvl 30+ renown for the all the passives. I’m kinda done wasting my time with a manlet who’s trying to relive some high school debate glory days. Spoiler you’re failing at it hard lol.

You are just making things up as you go.

Do level 60’s have an advantage over basically every player who is sub lvl 56? Yes.

Could the argument be made for any player who is 56-59 having advantage over anyone lower level? Yes.

All I’m seeing from you is crying. Blizzard put level 60s in the middle. You have no evidence to support your argument that they aren’t. There is evidence that anyone who is level 57+ can have superior gear than what a level 60 is scaled to. They can also have enchants, and with threads, cov abilities.

You just want to whine about nothing.

What are you even on about here? AGAIN you’re IGNORING HALF THE ISSUE

ANd you even know this which is the worst part, of you trying to shift facts in some trash tier troll attempt lol. Get outta this forum. Its for real people to talk, not awful trolls.

You know why this gives people a big advantage. This is how people know you’re just trolling and being dishonest. You know gear isn’t the biggist issue here.

Yeah but this requires a conduit slot to work. You don’t just willy nilly do it without the renown and the M+ runs for the parts.

Stop trying to make an argument where you know all the facts point the otherway. Its not hard to not be dishonest lmfao. I get you’re a troll, but yikers. Try not admitting to knowing better before trolling.

Evidence?

Numbers?

Once again… Just throwing out opinion without evidence and trying to feed it to people like it’s a fact.

Sorry, you are wrong. But try again. :slight_smile:

Reading is hard for you huh?

Okay. Here. On my disc. I can heal no matter what gear you have better than my scaled down gear. 30% more radiances than you can. From my conduit slot. I can teleport twice vs your one. My mindgames will last longer, and hit harder than your unslot buffed mindgames. Sure its not the 52% my conduit gives me, but its more than 0. Which will always give me the 60 an advantage. You know this. You’ve admitted to knowing this. Just stop. You’re not fooling anybody with your trolling.

No it didn’t.

You are cherry picking things I said and taking them out of context. I still am struggling to know if you are comprehending what you are reading.

But you provide 0 evidence… No numbers. Can you tell me how a lvl 59 140 ilvl priest would perform? Have you recorded any numerical values for comparison? Nope…

You just come here making wild claims without any actual data.

Like I said

Do you not know how % work?

Looks like you don’t’ know how[divine toll works either? Here just because you want to again. Try to lie and make things up. I’ll correct you again.

No pally 1 shots with divine toll without this.
Ringing Clarity

Requires Paladin

Divine Toll has a 30.0% chance to cast 3 extra times on the main target.

Its what you call a conduit. Its something a pre 60 can’t get. Can’t equip. Can’t use. Its a massive bonus to the 60. Who can get it. Can use it, in 51-59 pvp.

The projection on this is unreal. You’re ignoring half of a comment to make yourself look right. lmfao. Imagine accusing somebody of doing what you’re doing. Just stop already. You’re just proving your ignorance on the subject more and more.

Incorrect. A level 59 with 140 ilvl can 1 shot with wings sub lvl 60 without ringing clarity.

You are making assumptions about a class you probably don’t even play.

It’s hard arguing with someone with so little experience. Your honor level 33 is showing.

Uh oh another contradiction and twist against what you already said.

You’re 1200CR is showing lmfao. Nobody is getting 1 shot without ringing on it. Either that or you think 1 shot doesn’t mean single ability use.

Instantly cast Holy Shock, Avenger’s Shield, or Judgment on up to 5 targets within 30 yds (based on your current specialization).

A single judgment with wings doesn’t 1 shot anything in any bracket but maaaaaybe lvl 20ish when anything 1 shots.

Stop making stuff up.

We both know your claim is wild exaggeration. lol Just quit while you’re ahead. We get it. You can’t pvp at 60 so you back it down to lowbies and you dont’ want people to take that away from you.

You realize that DT is just a buffed judgment right? He’s kinda right without the conduit, it’s not really the same thing.

Its not 1 shotting people without the conduit. I’ve been doing 51-59 pvp all morning. Yet to get any paladin to 1 shot me without it. Even with it since its a really low % chance.

Wow, can you show me where that 1200CR is? I’m curious… Or is this just fake facts like almost everything else you have said here?

Prove me wrong with some data. I’m waiting.

Typically, but with the crit change, divine toll with wings, sera, trinket proc, it’s basically a 1 shot. Especially on a 140 ilvl 59 toon against a fresh level 51 who just dinged with no bfa gear.