So you want 30k queues per server and 500 people playing per mobs on channel 1 right?
No Sir go back to your private servers if you want suffer
go back to retail if you never learned what patience is. not our fault if you got raised by a tv instead of being raised by common sense
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If you are enough SILLY to no understand what layering means
Wow-Vanilla was designed for 2500 players on mind the actual 2019 servers have 12k-15k players "I G N O R A N T". Removing layering will cause a massive congestion giving 30k queueing times and having 100- 150 people fighting per mobs
So if a lv 60 usually takes 90 hours. Wihout LAYERING that will take 540 hours.
Layering need some COOLDOWNS to avoid people abuse of that and they should keep 4-5 channels always cuz i repeat you have 15k people on a game was designed for 2500 is not NICE.
The only one need raise here your common sense here is you. Cuz that seems you dont have idea of what you are talking about and probably NEVER played on WOW-VANILLA private server to suffer a REAL CONGESTION of 10k players
The only people that layering affects are hardcore raiders trying to get to 60 ASAP.
For the rest of us? Doesn’t matter. Play the game, have fun, level at your own pace. You’ll hit 60 when you hit 60.
The game was designed around server caps of like 5k or something. If there’s like 20k people on a server then layering is actually providing a better, more authentic Classic experience for those of us that don’t care to abuse it.
He’s not being deliberately obtuse. The majority opinion is wrong. It usually is. That’s what happens when the average person is a moron.
Blizzard has walked into the fire trying to be clever with layered megaservers… or very dishonest about their intentions to remove layering.
Personally, I think they intended to keep layering all along. But that’s just me - I expect dishonest people to continue to be dishonest.
But if they really intend to remove layering, yes, bite the bullet and do it now. You guys harping on on the OP are going to be the loudest criers on the day layering is removed - if it ever is. Better to get it done now.
Yes, that would mean more servers… but the population is not going to drop 80%. And even if it did, some servers are still too crowded. Either layering stays, or transfers and merging will be happening.
You pick: blizz is living in an alternative reality where their wisdom (and yours) makes sense, or there is currently a serious population issue that blizz is either refusing to properly address or they knew all along layering was here to stay.
Now, I don’t know about ruining the game… people have always gamed wow. Bots, multi boxing, account sharing, whatever. It never ruined the game for me. So I can’t agree that layering is currently ruining the game. But if it is going to be removed, the best option is to do it now.
And you know this how?
Yeah, try to get condor meat in redridge and come back and tell me about layering
youre gong to have to get something through your thick empty retail skull.
layering = abusve exploits hacks no queues
no layering = no hacks no exploits no queues
sending players in a permanent specific layer = no hacks no exploits no queues
Everytime I’ve gone to gurubashi on my server there’s no pvp but there is a single level 10 layering alt sitting there. It’s terrible and the economy is going to get wrecked especially since people are already hitting 60.
I’ve yet to see anyone posting anything about supply and demand curves. If you view original servers without layering being active as “one layer”, and you view the supply and demand of one item like black lotus herb.
You will see that there is 1 black lotus on that “1 layer” for X amount of people. As we have now in classic with the existence layers, there exists a possibility of lets say 5 layers on a server. In this instance and with maximum possibility of 1 black lotus herb being available to pick on each of the 5 layers that would mean that there are in essence 5 black lotus herbs.
However this is where people who do not understand layering fail to get over a hurdle. Even though there exists 5x as many black lotus the population on the server is 5x as much of what the cap of the server would be since there exists 5 layers in order to distribute the population out. This 5x of the population still keeps in proportion with the original situation.
Original sitation:
1 black lotus: X people
5 black lotus: 5x people
A proportion change in the supply and the demand curves of an economy (using the same scaling factor), will result in the same equilibrium point (ratio) of the new economy when compared to the old one. A similar equilibrium point would then mean that both economies regardless of scale (large or small) would have the same value for said good. And if that is the case then there is no difference.
im Level 30 soon and i did not seen one Horde Player!
wpvp was Always part of the leveling process and i did not see one small Little fight in the contested zones because of this crap layering! also most of the time end up in very empty layers few only a few Players (waiting in 5hour Queue, playing on a full servr) stormwind only has 3-4players running around and most zones feel like in bfa!
the the whole time i only had the luck to Play 1-2days in a full layer which was awesome! stormwind was full and i also saw Zone defense Chat of Players attacking our allaince zones!
PLS REMOVE LAYERING! ITS KILLING CLASSIC FOR ME!!!
I WILL WAIT NOW TO THE END OF THIS MONTH! IF U DID NOT REMOVE LAYERING I WILL QUIT CLASSIC AND PLAY ON PRIVATE SERVERS UNTIL U GIVE US THE REAL GAME AND NOT SOME KIND OF WIERD SCAM VERSION!!
BLIZZARD! IF U CANT SET UP SOME NORMAL SERVERS AS A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY U SHOULD JUST QUIT!
PSERVERS DID A MUCH MUCH BETTER JOB THAN U GUYS DID!! OMG WE WANT REAL BLIZZARD BACK AND NOT THIS ACTIJOKE COMPANY!!!
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I don’t understand why they can’t fix this like they fixed cross-realm zone hopping abuse it’s the same tech. Make it so that if you want to join a layer with a friend you have to be near each other and always choose the layer that the higher level player belongs to. Seemed to work for retail.
Removing layering would force server distribution.
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I paid money for an actual classic wow experience. Layering wasn’t a part of Classic WOW that I played 14 years ago, it shouldn’t be in the game now. If they don’t get rid of it promptly, I will promptly stop paying money. Make it like it was… HOW HARD CAN IT BE?
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thought blizzard would be removing the layering in phase 2?
Yes, they will do. Most people here have no brain or somethin.
They should make layer hopping be on 1 hour CD unless you’re in a rest zone, or only happen in low level zones, then layers still exist but you cant keep farming that same end game node over and over and over…
Screw that noise, I’ve just spent the last 20 minutes trying to kill ONE of FIFTEEN dark iron taskmasters in Searing Gorge cause the place is grossly overpopulated. I have spent the last three days just running over dead mob corpses with nothing alive in sight. Blizzard removing layers has destroyed the leveling experience. It is now nearly as bad as it was during week 1. Removing the final layer will simply make this twice as bad as it already is.
This is NOT the classic experience. It was never like this. Questing is impossible. I’m sick to my stomach of running ZF so I want to be able to quest.
Economy… I’d rather have gameplay over good prices on crap I don’t need. Besides, twink culture will kill the AH in less than a year anyways.
How do you think all those people hit 60 and cleared MC and all that junk? Total exploit, all of them. But Blizz knew it would be horrendous PR to boot them all and make it public how screwed up the launch was, so they had to just basically ignore it. Awful.
Layering doesn’t actually have anything to do with the queue times as Blizzard explained
Well well well… Who knew people would start complaining about being stuck in queue after they got rid of layering!