Yeah idk how all that works on their end and all that cause I know they most likely contact the addon devs with diff stuff. Maybe the way they do it it’s in TOS because of how they offer it? IDK all that kind of stuff is confusing.
yeah you are misunderstanding - maybe you could quote me where you think I said that. I will check back tomorrow though so you can take your time.
my apologies, I mistook you for Zootzoot’s post
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It’s so easy. The solution has been done before and it worked perfectly:
Just limit AH listing to 50 a day. Maybe 60. 70? Whatever it is, some low’ish number around 50 is PLENTY more than the average player needs.
It’s only people abusing the system that need more than that.
Limit the number of AH listings per day and 95% of the AH issues go away over night.
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I mean…if someone is super invested in winning the AH game, breaking the tools that they use to make that a bit easier isn’t going to stop them. They’ll still scan for good deals and cancel their auctions and repost them, it’ll just take them a bit longer. Search-Search-Search-Search-Search-Cancel instead of Search-Cancel.
TSM doesn’t automate anything that the base UI can’t do with a bit more clicking buttons.
And that’s why my solution is superior and should have been implemented 2 expacs ago when it was first “tested.”
Even in my bag selling haydays I doubt I rarely posted more than 50 times in a day, and I didn’t constantly cancel and repost to undercut. I let it expire and always sold some if not all of what I posted.
I really like this idea, even though they’d just run multiple accounts at some point it becomes too onerous to continue.
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TSM “premium” just gives you access to databases that they’ve filtered and compiled outside the game, I believe. All of the functions of the addon are available for free, it’s just their additionally parsed databases going right to your addon for “good deals” that is a paid service, which is how they skirt around the addons-can’t-be-paid-for issue.
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I was wondering how that worked. So it’s just more in-depth data. But… wait wouldn’t that still constitute that it’s a premium version therefore being against the rules even with it just being extra data?
Supposedly not, or Blizzard would have broken it a long time ago. As long as it’s their interpretation of the raw data that they’re selling and importing back into their addon and not the addon itself.
Sort of like selling “strategy guides”. The information is freely available, it’s the compilation, interpretation and suggestions that is the extra paid service.
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There are only 2 outcomes from this:
1> Not enough people do this to make a difference. It’s a non-issue.
2> The few people that do run multiple accounts can so utterly manipulate an economy … that it inherently proves that this sort of AH manipulation is bad for the game. And this proves we need to be more heavy-handed in a further solution.
I’d like to think it’s #1. But the fact so many people “play” WoW but not actually playing WoW, but by playing the AH that it could be #2. A handful of people should not be able to determine the outcomes of the AH for an entire server.
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I love how this is worded. It admits that TSM is automating the process while using words that those who don’t really read it will think it says that TSM doesn’t automate the process.
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The bigger problem is that the AH uses Last In First Out instead of First In First Out, which heavily incentivizes cancelling your auctions and reposting them at the same price to ensure that your items sell first.
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You can’t auto post anything with TSM btw. I use this every 2 days to relist 600+ transmog items . It makes it easier to know what price to set, which uses external data from your server and others to find prices and then post them within the rules you set.
When you post auctions you CANNOT post them in one click. If you post 500 auctions you need to click post 500 times. What it helps with is queueing those up so you don’t need to click around to list items and you can just continuously click post. Before this step, TSM takes a fairly long time to scan everything in your bags and formulate prices you could list them for. This part takes a few minutes for every 130-140 items you have, not terribly fast.
This is also limited to how much you can carry in your bags. So for me I need to go to the mailbox 3 or 4 times to post all of my auctions.
There is also a massive delay the more auctions you post. So it might take 3-4 seconds to post an item after you hit that max limit Blizzard has set instead of 0.5 to 1 second. It functions like a built in lag, kind of. Awfully annoying.
I do not do cancel scans. Not worth it. I do know you still need to cancel items one at a time though. One click one action. NO rules broken. TSM is really not the gamebreaking thing people think it is. It just helps you manage things better, easier.
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It’s that way to disincentivize undercutting by 1c, which would cause you to be first seller now on the list anyway since now your price is lower.
Both Last In and First In will have cancel scanning, just the former doesn’t have pointless 1 copper price drops.
Or use the mousewheel and scroll it to post, which is what most people do with TSM using macros and all to further automate it. It’s not 1-to-1 per action, since generally you would have to right click item, click on pricing, then hit post.
Go ahead, manually post 500+ items and see if you want to do it again. Compared to the automation with TSM.
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You can scan with one click - but that’s just looking, not technically doing an action because nothing changes. But every single post, every single cancel requires its own click. Nothing happens without its own individual click.
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So basically if I want to undercut I just have to have more stock than the other guy… having 10k healing potions and posting 100 at a time would be no problem and would end up the same result that people are complaining about.
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One time my best friend got his account banned for “AH scripting” despite the fact he was entirely at-keyboard. All he did wrong was not respond to a GM’s whisper while he was idle in the AH.
Why not just let people play the AH game as it was intended? Do we really need eCommunism to screw over fair players even further?
Multi-boxing was not botting, it still required a live person at the PC pushing buttons; botting is using software to perform scripts that run without any person sitting at the PC.
Multi-boxing at the time was perfectly legal, then blizzard changed their mind and now it is no longer legal.
Using addons is still not botting, regardless of it is addons such as TSM that make it easier to use the AH, or any other type of addons suach as Aardvark that auto sells greys.
Still not botting and still legal.
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