One of the main reasons it’s difficult to punish fire mage (esp. without having a purge) is due to alter time. This ability is simply too powerful for fire.
To encourage playing frost and arcane, alter time should be removed from fire.
The toolkit of fire mage is insanely overloaded as it is.
P.S. nerf triune
Until DB is removed or arcane and frost get some form of short instant CC, fire will remain on top. It’s just too good.
They will likely never remove db. They should increase the cooldown on db by 10-15 seconds.
Just make sheep, db, and ring all DR.
Honestly just make them squishy imo. They have no reason to be this tanky and skill cap will eventually get higher once all the passive healing and tankiness is removed.
yeah idk if the triune nerf actually went through we wouldn’t need threads like this
weird that blizzard isn’t addressing that it wasn’t changed
Don’t forget if you do manage to kill a mage through alter time, you still have to get through cauterize, ice block, and wildseed if night fae
Fires toolkit needs trimming. There is no caster spec that has so much
actual simple suggestion that would fix alot +1
Nonsense… posting this on a mage alt will not get you any credibility.
Just remove triune ward.
Crying and asking for nerfs on baseline abilities because of SL systems is stupid.
Thing is, if Fire actually wasn’t a raid tank like everything it has now would be fine.
Like there was a time Fire didn’t have iceblock
It has other problems too
3 spell schools
Off GCD fire blast
No weakness
which wouldn’t be that crazy if they weren’t immortal was my point
In a good game a mage wouldnt blow 2 shimmers across the map to land a DB without just absolutely getting smacked for it
3 spell schools will always be toxic, tankiness or not.
ok
The triune nerf feels like it went through in my opinion?
Don’t think trimming down a toolkit, especially on one of the most creative and interesting spells in the game, is the right answer.
DB should probably have a longer CD. If triune nerf goes through and mage is squishier it would be better imo.
It’s not like outside of RMP you’re seeing an abundance of mages dominating the ladder atm.
it shouldnt be available to fire tho tbqh. There is literally 0 reason to play the other specs. Fire gets everythign good from frost and arcane and frost/arcane get nothing good. Fires toolkit is simply too huge.
Because RMX is so braindead to play and free, there’s no reason to play harder comps that require more thought. Ever heal a fire mage that only plays RMX? It’s actually hilarious how bad they are without a sub rogue control if thats all they play.
Yeah, pruning abilities the first time around was huge misstep.
We should focus on ways that we can tune classes around abilities instead of just removing them.
Frost isn’t a great template for the direction to take things imo. The spec performs best literally replacing all your active buttons to just slap damage modifiers on frostbolt (lonely winter losing you pet & pet nova along with ice lance, taking away glacial or ray of frost for longer icy veins, etc.). Having like 4 abilities is a problem that almost every frost mage I know wants to fix with a fundamentally different build.
I’m not sure if fire feels strong enough on its own to really warrant any significant nerfs atm aside from correctly applying the triune nerf which is significant if it’s correctly applied. The only toolkit change I think fire should really get hit with atm is a longer CD on DB, which imo is just absurdly short atm. Could be doubled and be reasonable imo.
Fire is too good on utility - damage is definitely reasonable after the multiple tuning passes. Nerf survivability a bit more or fix the poly ring alter root db and nightfae kiting/resets.
I legit play mage once a week like an autist and its free wins to around 2200 without ever practicing.