Remove 30% AP bonus

Community General Discussion
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Why are you posting on a level 19 and not on your main? just wondering, nothing personal

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This turned into my main about a month after BfA, I have spent more time on twinks than anything else this expansion. I’m not hiding, I just posted on this since I played it the most. You are welcome to look me up. My first 120 “main” this expansion was my warrior Talaen - Moon Guard, it didn’t last long due to both displeasure with BfA and irl issues. A little before 8.1 I leveled up a warlock to hopefully enjoy the next raid with, Draical - Moon Guard.

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You had same buff. I think the person in first 10 post told me that its pointless to talk to people here and now I know why, and now I get why devs don’t read them as well.

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Toxic behavior. Wpvp is nothing but overwhelming your opponents with large raid groups and Graveyard camping. That why I don’t bother with wm. I’ll be sticking to slaying dragons.

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I believe you, I was not trying to go after you or anything. Sorry if it came off like that. was just curious.

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The Alliance can keep their water wings.

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Nah, don’t apologize. I didn’t think you came across in a bad way. I’d be in support of a feature on the forum/armory that allowed us to see alts, most would disagree but I think it’s silly that people think we should have some sort of ‘privacy’ in an anonymous video game.

But that’s a whole different topic and I’d rather not derail the original post with something that far off from it.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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Damn, I feel all that hostility from you. If you played alliance in that period, you would see that anyone who turned it on and went out to quest or do anything else would get demolished by the amount of horde. Something that would take a few minutes to do, would not take much longer to complete. Everyone here is trying to get a point across to you, horde outnumbers alliance. Before this buff all the complaints horde made were no alliance turned on warmode, and now they did and people started complaining again. It is not our fault it turned out like this. I personally do not like warmode and there should of never been a buff to begin with, I still dont have it on even with the buff.
Sidenote: If you think its pointless to talk to people, dont post on the forums. you knew what you were gonna get yourself into. Should go out for a walk and come back when you are less agitated by peoples response toward your post.

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Which still equates to the Alliance being outnumbered. That’s what happens when there is more of one thing than another, regardless of reasoning. The fact that the buff has not gone to the Horde is evidence of that.

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which if it ever swings the other way(doubt it will), i’d be saying the same damn thing. Its a badly thought out band aid that doesn’t fix the problem in the slightest.

and this isn’t wintergrasp or ashran, you don’t have a “gamebox” with everyone in it doing the exact same activity with the same goal. You have people to the four corners of the world doing their own thing, but one side has an additional buff “just cause”

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Yeah but you said it was because of recail. There actual news article on how people were switching. Had to do it from scratch. You just contradictive what you said. That the reason as recail. They were not doing it for recail at first. At first because of better skill players. You are a green and saying stuff that not true and adding to false hood. Should you want to have better standards than falling into old false hoods?

One and then changed on other.

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I only turn it on because of the bonus! I would never turn it on when leveling if there was no bonus. As every 120 horde tend to go out of there way to attack me. They will pass up chances at other ally 120s just to attack my 115 hunter. When I’m on my 120 warlock I can’t get them to attack me unless they have numbers. So if it goes away it’s cool because I won’t use it without the bonus,

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Nah Let me explain.

The game was fairly balanced (horde vs alliance top-tier raiding guilds) up until MOP. Racial bonuses were heavily in favor of Horde, specifically Troll. Towards the end of MOP, along with the typical dropoff in activity, many players were looking to move up.

The 20-man Mythic change was going into effect and a huge number of players were displaced or forced to merge to survive. Since Horde had a significant advantage during this time, most players went Horde.

During TBC and WOTLK, the game was simply very different. DPS spreadsheets, tuning, balancing, etc., these things were not mainstream until WOTLK. They had been around since Vanilla, but these tools weren’t really accessible to the public for many years. (Back then, no one shared strats or information regard boss encounters, there was no DJ, you had to pull the boss to learn the mechanics.)
The game was pretty balanced during these times. Most players just played the game, there was a healthy number of guilds and PUGs.

So, I’ve explained the distant past and the recent past.

Currently, most of the skilled players play Horde because of the imbalanced caused during MOP and WOD. That period created a snowball that is still felt today. Alliance racials are typically better than Horde racials these days. The issue is that there are simply more Horde players. And when you have the option to pick a faction, you go with the path of least resistance more times than not. From there, the snowball continues. Whether it be your friends or your guild, picking Horde gives you more options, so it’s more attractive. The horde is more skilled by virtue of the faction imbalance and the convenience it brings.

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No there were nerfed for horde. They never been buff. Look and find me one where they been buffed.The only fundamental changes was during WOD. There trolls and orcs were changed twice, blood elf once and human had a changed is all I remembered. Fundamentality horde racial have been same. Only in WOD were changed. Look up and find patch notes that prove what you say. I can not find them. Then I say wrong. otherwise you just continue false narrative.

Not to be that one. But did not developers say they game was like 70% alliance and 30% horde. it reason horde got blood elf? I can be wrong. That why I honestly think you spreading false info as a green poster.

I played all but alliance. I know when and if mine were changed. most are buffed. Only on WOD were we lost two. One was redesign an dwarf was redesign.

But still off subject here and sorry.

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Zero out of 2 for those couple of points. (1) you don’t speak for the entire player base, so saying “no one likes it” is void; and (2) No one is forcing WM on anyone. People who say this make me go all growly and annoyed.

Now I need to go get a calming drink and lie down


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I never said anything about nerfs/buffs. Horde racials have always been strong. As tuning got tighter, so did the community’s tolerance for the delta of racials and other metrics.

That’s not for me to prove. I’m not speaking on the general population because it doesn’t bother me. I was talking about the Top10/100/Top500. Racial bonuses don’t matter for 99.9% of the playerbase.

In the past, the populations of good Horde and Alliance guilds were perfectly acceptable. The game was healthy, and perfect balance wasn’t really a concern. It’s very different these days. Hence, TBC was a very different game.

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There was a blanket buff to all horde racials in WoD. What you talking about never been buffed :sweat_smile:

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With Warmode they’re trying to repopulate world PvP, because even on PvP servers it was mostly dead, nevermind PvE servers where you could completely toggle off PvP. They do that by appealing to PvE players who might be tempted to participate in world PvP if it reduces the grinding they have to do. So yeah, they put PvE rewards.

A lot of hardcore raiders like to think that the game is only about them, but I think Blizzard see their game from a broader angle than just the mythic race and they seem very serious about bringing world PvP back this time.

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Exactly, all the reasons agaisnt the 30% is from people that eventually say is serious raiders,true runners etc already got this or that so screw the bonus its unfair. But it is fair, It takes alliance a while to run everything because of the constant deaths and the bonus makes it worth what the horde would do without the bonus before alliance give up on running back and turn it off. Its just a time thing.

Im seeing even less alliance every week since the 30% became a thing. The issue is the balance of warmode and i hate to think that eventually blizz will add a stat buff or debuff and really screw things up and make it literally unfair and not just unfair in name only as it is now.

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It’s video game welfare. I hope all of you think about this the next time you go to the polls to vote. A vote for demoncrats is a vote to give what you work hard for to lazy people for free. Gotta love welfare!