That’s because he actually is alive.
He was resurrected by the Burning Legion and then freed by the Horde forces repelling the Legion invasion in Hillsbrad. He’s been working with the Horde ever since.
He was literally killed by the Horde, even assuming the Legion revived him, why would he ever work for the Horde?
He, along with say Zoram’gar Outpost(which in the short story was a ruin but ingame was used by the Horde for event) are just stuff Blizzard never changed for what is effectively a 2 week/1 month event and didn’t care one bit about any lore implication.
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Because they freed him from the mind control that he was under.
Fact is, they resurrected him (and he wasn’t the only one the Burning Legion resurrected in Hillsbrad) and he was not killed again, he pledged loyalty to the Horde and has been working with them ever since.
You don’t have to like it, but that is canon lore.
Zoram’gar Outpost is abandoned/in ruins by the events of the War of Thorns and it remains so. The Horde uses the open coast to launch a naval assault, not the Outpost itself.
Did you actually do the event? Because, no Zoram’gar was not in ruins and was part of the questing. Zoram’gar Outpost (quest) - Wowpedia - Your wiki guide to the World of Warcraft (fandom.com)
It is nothing more then head canon for an event that only semi loosely follows lore. Warden stillwater was killed by Sylvanas, there is no reason to assume even if he was mind controlled/brought back by the Legion that Sylvanas would order the Horde to free him/save him. More likely either Blizzard forgot they killed him or because all of WoW is stuck is a stupid time bubble they didn’t want to confuse new player who may or may not have completed that questing experience.
There are countless NPCs we thought were dead because we had killed them during questlines but turned out to be alive. It would appear killing a character for the needs of a quest doesn’t necessarily imply the character is dead lorewise
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Or it might be this particular part of the pre-expansion experience is not canonical and in fact, violates the canon Blizzard themselves established but gameplay wise didn’t really feel like changing for an event that wasgoing to last for a month. Similar to as I mentioned Zoram’gar outpost, which was suppose to be destroyed in canon but used for the questing experience.
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It’s confirmed lore.
You refusing to acknowledge it is the headcanon. That’s all there is to it.
End of story, do not pass go, do not collect $200
Can we just retcon him back to being dead?
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It is not confirmed lore. In fact, I don’t think Blizzard has ever acknowledged that stillwater was revived and maybe more importantly that the missions table are canonical.
The fact that he was revived in a Legion event, and then was used as an NPC in BFA mission tables is acknowledgement that he is alive.
Again, you’re free to not like the lore. Everyone has their likes and dislikes, but it is the lore, and you’ll need to either need to put up or shut up.
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And as I proved to you with Zoram’gar outpost the pre expansion events questline are not gospel lore.
Yeah currently Stillwater is alive. May come off as absurd but there’s no denying that
He’s not the only one. So is Flesh-Shaper Arnauld (who was also resurrected by the Legion and freed by the Horde) along with Captain Crudbeard, Instructor Rufus and Drill Sergeant Magnus, all of whom are Alliance heroes who were supposedly killed by the Horde during the events of Cataclysm.
Guarantee you Zerde has no problem with the three dwarves being alive though.
How does someone end up with a name like Captain Crudbeard anyway?!
Dude, wash your face.
I don’t even know who these guys are to even have formed an opinion on them. The reason I mentioned Stillwater was because he was always fairly controversial and I knew him from reading about him as opposed to doing the questline. Because, I only had two Horde and they were already max level in cata.
Or more likely this is proof the entire event was haphazardly done and certain things about it(like the Legion just full up rezzing dead character) is non-canonical and is more for gameplay as oppose to lore.
Speaking of Cata, Blizzard did this with certain quests(like that night elf girl that was cursed with sleep). You could wake her up doing a vanilla quest or the updated cata quest. Obviously only one of them is truly canonical but it was left in Cata because it was a fairly emotional questline and the devs just didn’t want to get rid of it.
Or Stillwalter and Arnauld were brought back and Crudbeard, Rufus and Magnus were never ‘killed’ and the Horde just thought they died.
Wouldn’t be the first NPC that players thought they killed only for that NPC to return later in one form or another.
You’ll get over it.
Or they weren’t brought back and this event like the mission tables will be non-canonical/never mentioned again if Blizzard ever truly revamps EK/Kalimdor.
I think you should get over the fact that quests we do ingame are usually gameplay first as oppose to being in service of lore.
Bringing this back for the topic: The Kingdom of Alterac
TLDR: I still think it makes most logistical sense to rebuild Alterac as this mix of Frostwolf and Forsaken under the leadership of Drek’thar (or Thrall/his stand in when Drek kicks the bucket) and old Aiden Peranolde, now a Forsaken Deathknight using the old Baron Paranolde from WC3. Just can’t see any major Alliance force being able to retain a presence there. Small camps, but not a standing town or fort.
The survivors, I’ve thought about that a lot too. Alterac is of course the 2nd smallest kingdom by size, and possible the smallest by population give its territory. So I wouldnt be surprised if we just don’t see alot of them, but similar to the folks before they scattered into various groups.
One of the champions of the Scarlet Crusade was from Alterac, so that could be one route for some. Others to Ravenholt. Others to the Syndicate. Perhaps some Forsaken-fied. Then the rest refugees to Stromgarde and Stormwind.
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I wonder what Carhagen’s take on Cata’s dungeon finder quests is, particularly for Scarlet Monastery. Does the fact Velonara has come back since then mean Renault Mograine getting resurrected was canon? Does it mean he could again, since this also wedges yet a third Whitemane death into the timeline?
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Honestly I’m surprised they didn’t turn Alterac into the new Forsaken capital.
It would have been the perfect location to focus on creating something utilizing the new forsaken architectural style, it’s easily defensible given its location. With the mountain passes created as they are it would be extremely difficult to get siege engines up there to assault the high walls (unlike Lordaeron which has open plains leading up to its walls) and the narrow passes mean that the Forsaken/Horde could funnel enemy forces into the choke point, eliminating any advantage in numbers they may have.
It’s also within easy striking distance of all the major Forsaken holdings, so if the Alliance were to attack one, the Forsaken/Horde would be able to easily come to their defense.
Canonically Herod died in Cataclysm, since he was replaced by Armsmaster Harlan when the dungeon was revamped in Mists of Pandaria.
Not all dungeon bosses die in lore because they are quest targets. Interrogator Vishas for example was thought to have been killed but was a Brawler’s Guild challenge, and well, Sally Whitemane was ‘killed’ in Vanilla and Cataclysm, but her death didn’t ‘stick’ until Mists of Pandaria.
Of course then in Legion she was turned into a Death Knight, so she’s technically ‘alive’ again, but no longer affiliated with the Crusade.
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