Remember when people lost their minds over AQ hardmode having a limited number of deaths?

Has a single raid actually wiped enough to miss out on their bonus loot?

Noā€¦ on the flip side thoughā€¦ there is very little reward for hardmode

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Multi-colored bugs are pretty cool tbh. Especially the void one.

I bet you raids have given up sooner than running out of lives.

I donā€™t recall a single person ā€œlosing their mindsā€ over that.

To be fair the original idea was to limit the raid sizes. My guess is they had around 40 (10 for AQ20) attempts as the ā€˜death countā€™. Which means you couldnā€™t suffer more than one partial wipe (aka 20 players out of 40; 10 for AQ20). On any given fight without risking that a few might die in another fight and remove the chance at loot*

*I fully believe they had intended for a ā€œall or nothingā€ risk-taking, with no checkpoints.

My guess is they upped the limit after allowing the more flexible sizes.


In short they likely didnā€™t want the hassle of making a variable ā€˜Death Countā€™ that would adjust based on the raid size. So they just looked at the data, saw that most raids field around 25 players and went with that as the size cap. This way they could just make the Death Count a fixed number and be done with it.

No one ā€œlost their mindsā€. Instead, people were asking for clarification because it was described as a ā€œrogue likeā€ mechanic of all things. In fact, I made my own thread to point out why roguelike was not a great mechanic for a ā€œhard mode raidā€.

They later clarified how it works (explaining the death counter), and since then, no one has really complained about it. If anything, most of the raids Iā€™ve been in, the hard mode reward is really underwhelming, and hardly makes it worth it, because as time goes on, more and more people get the patterns and the trinkets/enchants are more easily found. Arguably, the new repair bot is still a ā€œchase itemā€ because itā€™s BOP. AFAIK, all other craftable items are BoE.

this guy right here did LOL

Thanks for adding proof to my thread.