SND is not why you suck at x
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Juat click on the “View Hidden Reply” itll show you. Its just one button click. It cant be that big of a deal.
Right?
SnD is a maintenance buff. People who do not like it, including me, like the buff, not the maintenance. Since each spec has a way of automatically refreshing SnD, what’s the point in having it as an active ability. Add in the fact that our dps is balanced around 100% uptime, it now makes even more sense as a passive.
SnD as an active ability (meaning you press a button) is pointless and adds nothing the class.
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I just want to see RtB not need so many talents to prop it up. What is it like 5 talent points you can put into RtB to make it ok? 6 if you want to count Restless Blades. Keep it Rolling should just be baked into RtB as well as Sleight of Hand.
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Riiiiight…I forgot, you’re the guy that can’t read. My bad.
I’ll try keep this simple for you then.
Maintaining Slice and Dice = easy. I don’t even have to think about it.
Worth maintaining slice and dice for good dps? Yes, increased attack speed and energy regen is good.
Do I like maintaining it? No. Losing a GCD and a finisher for doing nothing is annoying.
Does it cost too much to maintain in relation to the value it brings gameplay wise? Yes. Combo points + energy + GCD all for a buff that we are expected to have up 100% of the time anyways and normalized as part of our overall damage and energy economy.
Overall conclusion: I think slice and dice should either go away or be taken off the GCD so it feels less punishing and awkward to use it. It doesn’t add any real complexity to the class.
Also, you’re an assa rogue main, correct? You only have to press slice once at the beginning of the fight and then your passive maintains it for you. Why are you so attached to a button you only press once per fight? Would you like for that passive to go away so you can press slice more, since you love it so much? Because that’s what happened to outlaw this patch, and while I don’t care that much, it is an unnecessary dps loss for us which is a bit frustrating.
Well, sounds like it’s time for me to go on your ignore list 
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Would not miss snd one bit if it got deleted.
For group utility, I think it would be cool to bring back wotlk smoke bomb + a talent to either shorten the cd or increase the dr.
Also wish they’d let poison buffs actually stay applied when zoning in/out of instances. And leeching poison falling off every time the game sneezes is annoying.
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Pro SnD people cannot fathom that we know what it does and the impact it has, but think it would be better passive.
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There’s no place for a rogue tank in any form of class fantasy. It’s completely antithetical to what makes a rogue a rogue.
I’d love another tank in the game, and tanks are my favorite role to play, but a rogue? That’s like letting a death knight zoom around like a DH and making grip pull them to their targets. It’s just wrong.
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What fixes energy regen then? All 3 depend on snd for improved regen.
Assassination - poison ticks , snd helps refresh that
Subtlety - absolute trash with no using snd as hitting a finisher will take far longer
Outlaw - offhand hits 60% chance for 10 energy . Snd obviously keeps it smooth.
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nah, just laughing at the reason provided such as “it feels bad to press”. Its basically saying it feels bad to press something that helps u deal more damage, and you cant get over the mental block that SND is not immediate damage.
If we changed evicerate/envenom/dispatch to say…every 7th cast instead of doing regular damage it casts SND instead, you people would be ok.
And i bet some of you will gladly press expose armor if it came back as a finisher. But no SND is not ok
Bottom line is that most of the people actually complaining about SND, will continue to be bad at w.e content they do if SND became a passive. And they will find the next excuse to complain for what they perceive as “its clunky, unfun, my rogue suck because of x”
instead of using that energy to improve their gameplay.
Except it isn’t.
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u heard it first, SND doesnt make u do more damage
That’s not what I said you absolute spaz.
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then maybe u should not use vague responses
Riiiight you were the Rogue that tells people they can’t read when they differ from your opinion. I read it just fine, again. You just clearly have a hard time playing Rogue, and that’s okay! You’ll get better one day. You’ll nail that pesky S&D button, and it will feel so much better! Cheer up champ, the more you play, the easier it becomes.
I see you already contradicted what you said in your previous post, so maybe your memory is a bit on the low end too. Maybe you just forget to use S&D sometimes? Is that the issue? Well whatever it is, I hope you get better soon!
Nothing vague about it. You said “X is basically saying Y” and I said it isn’t.
How you got the idea that I was saying Slice and Dice doesn’t increase DPS from that comment is beyond me. It’s like you put 2 and 2 together and ended up figuring out a logarithmic function.
Aren’t you the same guy that said that anyone who disagrees with you is toxic? Funny how that works.
Bro I’m literally better than you at the game anyways, dunno what you’re going on about. You have 0 pvp rating and your highest key is a 22. I just picked up mythic+ for literally the first time ever a couple of weeks ago and completed +16s easily on day 2 of doing dungeons I had never even touched before with 421 ilvl using just my pvp gear and no addons. Like, you’re not even good at this game and you’re so obsessed with yourself because you can press slice and dice once per fight like a good little assa rogue.
You think you have this big “gotcha” because you can pretend I’m having a hard time pressing slice and dice. Whatever makes you feel better I guess dude. I have said at least three times now that I don’t find pressing slice to be difficult at all. But I guess you forgot all that in your rush to deflect your complete lack of any real argument or thoughts with poorly concocted insults instead.
Good lord.
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This is the funniest part for me. He’s lecturing outlaw rogues on how easy it is to maintain slice and dice when he plays the one spec that doesn’t even need to maintain it.
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Ahahahahaha. You clearly have no idea how PvE works if you’re bragging about a 16 let alone with 421ivl. I can’t say I’m surprised you went straight to “you aren’t even good” after all this. For one, I never even bragged about my PvE and yeah I don’t PvP, so having 0 rating shouldn’t be surprising. But it seems you want to prove yourself or something? But hey, if you want to rag on my PvE, know this, Sin is the absolute bottom of the barrel for M+ and Raid right now. I’m ranked #1 on my server group, 49th in the region, and 119th in the world. But yeah, I’m absolute trash. It’s very clear you have no idea how PvE works. Nor do you understand how few people have 21s or 22s done, even on meta specs. The ignorance from start to finish of your posts is astounding. But it makes sense why you hate that pesky S&D button now.
You have 2760 and it took you until augvoker inflated the rating to go up from 2100…
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