Exactly, instead of discussing on the existing topic, OP just went ahead and created a new thread to troll.
“everyone I disagree with is a troll”
You sound like a very rational and reasonable person.
People false-flagged OP’s post.
Because if you can’t come up with a reasonable argument against it, you gotta silence folks who are for it. That’s really all you can do. 
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That’s how these forums work, sadly. People use “flag for trolling” as a downvote button.
They can’t come up with valid arguments against me so they just cry that I’m “trolling” and spam report my post 
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Fear not, for it will be restored.
I don’t agree with you but you’re not a troll. I draw the line at people who resort often to personal attacks and baiting. People who routinely attack the “character” or “motives” or of the person rather than their argument. Things like calling people habitual liars, or misquoting them to show them to have an underhanded motive - that’s what I consider trolling. Such people get blocked.
It’s a continuum, imo you don’t give up on the idea of impactful choices simply because many choices fall into a meta. If anything it pushes the view that we should push for changes that are stricter rather than more lenient of consequences for change in a rerelease. The guiding principle should be "what was intended by the design. It should then be tuned accordingly.
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Well simply no, if you want non meta builds to be viable you should be pushing for a game design that values many diverse builds.
WoW doesn’t and never has. Dual spec mitigates that.
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So do we scrap all rp oriented choice designs? Because “what’s the point?” Scrap any pretence at making classic anything like TBC because - “it’s already different”? I think not. We make the attempt because that is the intention of the project. Otherwise why are we playing unupdated content?
Just play another game not like TBC that has new bosses and content and an active development cycle.
IMO people that want TBC to be the best new mmo because retail is bad should want the opposite - they should want retail to be better. It’s the game that has new stuff added, new content.
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Dual spec hardly scraps all RP oriented choice designs.
Do you have to choose those two specs? Do you then have to gear and learn to play those two specs?
The irony of the dual spec won’t fix the tank shortage argument against dual spec is that it also shows that shockingly people choose not to use it defeating the argument it removes choice.
I was discussing that in relation to your counter. Your counter is effectively “sunk cost”. Effectively you’re saying it’s already stuffed so we may as well stuff it more.
My argument is that dual spec further waters down choice and your counter is that the game already waters down choice so who cares. I’m demonstrating the vacuousness of your retort.
I’m saying lets not further water down choice and you’re saying lets water down choice more because there’s already a watering down of choice.
That’s why I said it is a continuum. Dual spec doesn’t completely and absolutely get rid of choice (which is what you seem to think I’m arguing) but it waters it down further - it contributes to what I see as a problem.
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No I’m saying your perceived RPG element of respeccing never existed in the first place.
It was always just some stupid annoyance that added no real RP and merely limited players from actually playing.
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Are you saying that spec choice no longer exists at all?
You’re not - but you’re using it as a defence. You seem to be claiming that spec choice will not be watered down at all by adding dual spec. I’m arguing that it will make an already watered down choice less impactful still - by a degree (not absolutely).
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This is hugely false. They gave alliance seal of blood because of the immense whining, not to have the game play as it did in 2007. Another example would be spell batching, which was originally kept in to mimic the experience of 2004, and they removed it. Your argument has been nullified.
“Give a mouse a cookie” is a terrible reason to not make improvements to the game that add additional reasons to be logged in more often.
How is I go to some guy pay him 50g then he hits me on the head and suddenly I can relearn 60 levels worth of talents a more compelling RPG element than I pay some guy 1000g and he hits me on the head and now i can switch between two talent sets?
Oh and BTW with dual spec, if you want to change them you still have to pay to do so. So yeah those two choices still matter, a lot.
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If the game is working exactly as intended by the original developers, it’s not broken. They didn’t want people respeccing on a whim. They believed that was bad. So they put a penalty in place to deter people from doing that, and guess what? It works.
The idea that there is a slippery slope fallacy is a fallacy. It’s an incredibly lazy and stupid thing to say.
Where were the people crying for dual spec in Classic vanilla? There were very few. This thread exists entirely because you were emboldened by Blizzard making other changes to fix broken things, and you misinterpreted that as a carte blanche let’s remake the game into something new and modern! Best thing that could happen is for people like you to be told “no” so that you will be de-emboldened and go back to being quiet.
I wouldn’t call it a disaster, but I did wish that the world buff exploit would have been fixed, and early on before it basically became the game. I have no problem with fixing obviously broken things, like drums. But, IMO, there is a huge difference between something like drums, which would have very much NOT worked as intended in 2021 had they been left alone, and lack of dual spec, which is very much working as intended.
I don’t think it’s flawless. But yes, TBC is better than retail in pretty much every way. It’s the best WoW ever was and the best it ever will be, as it is right now, IMO. You should learn to appreciate it while we have it.
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go play Retail
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Go play classic
I do play Classic
He said, as he posts on his retail character.
i’m not changing the character I post on just to please others. this is my Forum toon.