Why would it crumble?
Raid items are still the most desired thing even without RMT and gdkps would be an even better system.
At that point you guys couldn’t cry about RMT anymore and realize that it is actually a bunch of raiders that are enjoying a wonderful pug system that lets them raid with hundreds of different people with ease and gives a fun reason to take out your really good geared toons.
Do you go to raids with no intention of walking out with anything? How long do you think players can do?
I would like to see GDKPs banned in Era too but I know that will likely not happen.
If players in fresh wanted to use GDKP in WC would they have to RMT for a chance at loot?
I have a T3 main. I don’t bully noob players with my with my coinpurse, but I’ve seen others do it. I’ve seen people just buy items over people for the sake of being toxic even if they can’t use it. “but you all get a lil gold” is just an incredibly selfish way to defend an incredibly toxic loot system.
I have been on Era since TBC released. I only intended to play vanilla. Thousands of others are just like me. GDKP isn’t the reason Era is populated, that is extreme levels of cope.
Yeah same, but to say raids would be poppin as they are without GDKPs would be a bit extreme as well.
I’ve also never ‘bullied’ people with my gold in ZG lol… but I’ve def outbid people on my alts and used the stuff I won.
Before fresh there were also tons of SR for the early raids, if someone is upset that they may lose their items to a rich alt in ZG they should just run those, but by far, in my experience, most items outside naxx and aq40 were min bid almost all the time.
No, GDKP is not coming back.
Era received a massive boost in population because people started to quit Wrath and realized they preferred an older version and that was all that was available at that time. Sure some people may see GDKP as a reason to play a fully progressed 5 year old Naxx server, but it wasn’t required to grow the population as vanilla WoW speaks for itself.
I’ve seen some caustic stuff while doing GDKP on Era. I was against it for the longest time and found my own reprogression guild to play with and got all the loot I needed. I only started doing GDKP to fund PvP consumes once I got tired of picking flowers. Which, sure, there are some benefits especially as a PvPer but I think there’s many cons that people purposely overlook. GDKP on a vacuum is really cool, but in practice on Era it is identical to retail achievement boosting. People just openly advertise for selling the loot directly to you in chat.
The reason SRs are awful and few are and far between is because of GDKP. Every raid on anniversary is running SR right now, good or bad. This idea that GDKP has better pugs is a fantasy. I’ve been in terrible GDKPs and terrible SR raids, you just have to know who to raid with with either system to have an okay time and avoid scummy stuff. Which in GDKP there is a lot more since it’s not as straightforward as highest roll wins.
no cheating is not going to be reconsidered, sorry not sorry
Yeah I know, I never went to TBC just stayed on Era and did SoM for a little bit.
I would disagree here but that doesn’t really matter. GDKPs let geared toons raid and SR don’t, that’s basically the main appeal on Era.
Yeah in fresh everyone is gearing so there will be decent SR and lots of guild runs. And there will be an insane amount of gold buying even with gdkps banned.
GDKPs are there for geared toons, when people are geared they will raid less with it banned. It’s not really a big deal on fresh since it is so short - but imo still crazy to ban the system and artificially limit community options.
I think this is just going to be the main disagreement we have. I don’t think that’s necessarily a problem. People should be raiding with other people at their content, otherwise they’re just a passenger getting carried the length of the game until they have to open their eyeballs for a lil bit in AQ.
Being able to skip DPS checks, threat mechanics, and healer mana management because half your raid are characters that have been gearing for twice the length of the original vanilla lifespan doesn’t really seem like playing the game to me. When I reprogressed with a guild that had just formed on Era (just before official HC) there were people coming into raid flexing how they bought items from Naxx when we hadn’t even killed CT as a guild yet. No one earned that gear, they just went into a GDKP and bought it.
and I’m not saying that people shouldn’t raid with others if they’re geared. I played on an extremely small pop pserver for years, like I’m talking 400 peak during EU time. We always filled MC every week and it was like a nice little family. Also did the 20s almost every reset. Many people were extremely geared and didn’t need anything and just played to make friends. Different times, sadly.
I think perhaps we have different view of raids.
While I enjoy raids, the part I enjoy is completely obliterating them as fast as possible and having a nice reward from it that makes my character more powerful in pvp.
Otherwise I only play to pvp, or level when I wanna chill. I guess that means I don’t have any desire to keep raids ‘pure’ and always feeling like a progression. What I want to maximize is raid availability (i usually raid after 9pm), reward, and fun - and gdkps do that for me.
We are more similar in that regard, I just don’t want to trivialize another part of the game at my convenience. The PvP changes allowing people that don’t typically PvP to completely skip playing WSG/AB/Bye week because there’s no decay is something that really frustrates me as a PvPer when WSG/AB struggle to fill on their weekends and there’s several full AVs.
When I approach raiding I do so as a PvPer, and I make that known to my officers. I come with a proper spec, consumes, and wbuffs if required but they know I’m not batting orange parses or have the cleanest PvE suit. I do average and don’t ask for much in return, and that’s brought me lots of success thus far.
I see PvE and PvP as two seperate dojos, and on a PvP server both PvEers and PvPers must partake in each other’s game. We don’t get to segregate ourselves entirely and only queue up content restrictive to our taste like in retail.
I mean most endgame pve and pvp players on whitemane prefer GDKP.
The players that dislike it are tourist gold buyers that are upset they can’t buy their way to bis (unless they wanna spend 10k on era gold).
Those that actually play Era have no problems getting a toon to bis, but it can easily take over a year depending on the class.
GDKP’s ruined the Classic Era economy. Non-gold buying progression raiding died last spring-early summer as a result. GDKP benefits a very small % of players, those who are very skilled with no concern for the long term stability of the game, and those who aren’t interested in learning or playing the game as intended. Maybe blizz can open a separate server for this “community”. Can call it the Suck and Swipe Classic Era server.
Most players that you play with. Absolutely not the case with the people I ranked with before the PvP changes and we held bracket one against RMT sanders and AV terrorists. None of the veteran pserver players I know like GDKP. Swiper, no swiping!
Yes, the people who hate the system where you buy gear with gold are the gold buyers themselves. This is worse cope than saying all people who do GDKP are gold buyers.
I got what I considered my personal BiS for PvP (minus a hit ring) without spending a copper on it on Era.
Yeah there’s plenty of non-gdkp raids, and people that enjoy them should use them.
But personally I enjoy raiding with GDKP because most of the time I just raid for gold, and 1 naxx per week is enough pve for me.
Most players that have pvp’d on Era from when wsg started poppin again to today (queue up for WSG rn i’m in queue), probably run gdkps or don’t raid at all.
I just AV rank and don’t contribute to PvP for my R14 upgrades.
Say less.
GDKP does benefit large established guilds and tourists who aren’t interested in learning or really playing the game. As of last spring the Classic Era economy became so hyper-inflated progression raiding died. I’m hopeful that this hard ban on GDKP makes its way to Classic Era by the time Anniversary Classic concludes. Otherwise it will remain the ghost town it has become.
TL/DR: Swiping/GDKP is just misunderstood and is vital for the survival of the game. Then all the swipers scream at us for pointing out their lies.