If it exists it is MANDATORY because of the bonuses that it provides.
it is NOT mandatory. its a CHOICE to use it or not too. if you feel that you are forced to use it, then you put too much stock in a GAME. you seek far too much validation from getting a single bonus. it is in NO way mandatory to use. you can group up and run dungeons without it. you can go wait in LFG channel for 4 hours for 1 run if you want too. you can team with your guildies and use RDF to teleport you to the dungeon saving time or you can choose to run there.
saying its MANDATORY because of the bonuses is a false foundation for a non argument. it was the same thing in another NEW mmo WORLD when they chose to give a 5% luck bonus to mining if you flagged for pvp in open world. its an OPTION, you get to choose to do it or not.
Itâs not an option. Youâre being intellectually dishonest and you know this, but you want to argue and you want your team to win.
You can make raid bosses harder by taking gear off. Essentially NO ONE does this because handicapping yourself for no reason MAKES NO SENSE.
so becasue no one does it then its not a choice? your are being intentionally ignorant and i know by reading your messages you can be well spoken. i dont WANT to argue, im CHOOSING to argue because your logical argument is based in false information. you are arguing that its mandatory because you cant be top dog without the mediocre bonuses RDF provides, yet if you are a hardcore player your only fear is that someone you dont know, who plays half the time you can, may get reasonably equivalent to you in Gear Score because they CHOSE to use RDF the 1 or 2 hours a night they have available to play instead of wasting their time trying to find groups to run with and half the nights never making it into a dungeon because LFG didnt get them a group.
RDF is in NO WAY MANDATORY. you feeling its mandatory is on YOU, you somehow feel you are going to âfall behindâ and not be able to lord it over casuals if RDF is there? i ran original retail drop of WOTLK back in the day without RDF and with RDF, didnt make a difference in who the top dogs were. but it did improve the economy, it improved the ability for alot of folks to experience content they wouldnt have gotten to experience. and EVEN brought new people to the server nordrassil that i was on who had quit back in original wow and burning crusades because they couldnt get runs.
ALOT of players in original WOTLK never used RDF. they didnt complain about it, they didnt bust blizzards chops about it. they just played the game with their guilds. LFG was hoppin, RDF was hoppin, PVP was hoppin. everybody just enjoyed the way they played the game.
The problem IS NOT RDF, the problem is the mentality of the generation of players feeling they deserve the game to be catered to THEIR style of play, not the business of the game and keeping it alive.
I donât care if itâs in the game or not.
I just think arguing that itâs an option is wrong. Players play around the systems that exist. In my case, Iâm always going to take the most efficient route - and basically every single person I associate with in the game does the same.
I donât care what anyoneâs gearscore is because basically all of the playerbase clears the raids. Gear or progress is not a badge of honor in classic. If you want to compare yourselves, you use WCL.
and that beefd, is your CHOICE. its not everyones play style. and yes, im sure everyone you associate with does play the same as you as we tend to gravitate to similar mindsets, its human nature.
again though, you are stating generalities that contain falsehoods with no factual basis to back it up. âbasically all of the playerbase clears the raidsâ i would disagree, alot of the classic players are older and dont chase the server firsts or BISâs. they are just enjoying the game with friends.
and if you dont think gear or progress is a badge of honor in classic⌠THEN YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT AGAINST RFD FALLS APART. youve just back doored your entire side of the debate that youve been pushing.
Actually if we followed classic tendencies it would be in at launch as classic has typically been launching with end of expansion game mechanics.
I havent argued against RDF a single time.
Saying its an option or existed for half of wrath is intellectually dishonest.
Most of the playerbase clears the raids. There is easy data on this on IF pro. A massive % of logged raids clears all of the raid tiers.
Some tiers have a little progressive, but basically everyone clears. If youâre not raiding or doing consistent PvP, then what you have to say is irrelevant because youâre not actually playing the game in itâs entirety.
If you have one 70 and play RP minigames in hellfire once a week with your 2 friends, then no one cares what your opinion on the big picture systems in the game are.
Name one end game system that existed at the launch of classic or TBC.
im not here to discuss endgame systems in tbcc or vanilla wow, and im not here to argue the existence of RDF for âhalf of wrathâ what i am saying is that RDF is a CHOICE to use or not use, and the version number for the version of WOTLK that we are getting at drop was the version AFTER RDF was put in game, so therefore, based on the version numbers, RDF should be in the game at the start.
as far as the numbers, you circled back on yourself again⌠a massive % of LOGGED RAIDERS clear the raid tiers⌠of course they do⌠they are hardcore raiders, they are logged in to be competitive, but that does NOT mean that its most of the player base. but it is an insight into your perspective on the issue. you are coming at it from competitive wow and only competitive wow. that makes you a person i would NEVER guild up with, or hang with in game. hardcore raiders have a beyond selfish attitude and believe wow should revolve around them because they are âworking so hardâ to win.
your âthen no one cares what your opinion on the big picture systems in the game are.â statement is again false. a majority of the people keeping the game alive for the hardcore raiders are the casuals paying their membership fees, buying pets and cosmetics and player boosts for their kids.
so i think we can both agree to disagree and walk away because i believe everyone cares about everyones opinion on the game, including the selfish hardcore raiders, and you dont believe my paid membership allows me to have an opinion that matters.
Virtually all end game mechanics were available at launch and ones that were delayed were still available much earlier than originally like CRBGâs.
Youâre right I donât think your opinion matters if you fit that mold.
Iâve built guilds and communities in the game, while paying the same sub(s). I do basically everything a casual player does and a lot more, so yes - I think my opinion matters more.
OK name one other than black lotus not being BoP.
i built a 300 member guild using RDF and it still exists today in retail wow. so you can say what you want, your opinion doesnt carry an ounce more weight than mine does. but the self entitled persona reveals alot about you.
Congratulations on building a guild brother.
TL;DR it was because they say it wasnât âin keeping with the Classic Experienceâ but in the next paragraph they talked about the boosts theyâre selling in Wrath. Couldnât help but laugh at it, and how little Blizzard is self-aware.
I still remember their original post saying âboosts are not in keeping with classic so they wonât be part of the classic experienceâ and how quick that turned around because they saw how many players were just buying dungeon boosts to max and running GDKP.
I mean if you were running the game and saw that, to not try and make money off of it is pretty foolish.
As a morally bankrupt company? Sure. As a company that wants to make the best games? Itâd be foolish to add it.
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