Rearranging and Removing Portals

[Sonatah-saurfang]

…and yet, you brought up the question of if they were even on that faction to begin with. You now admit it wasn’t relevant to begin with. Meaning, that to even bring it up, you were trying to start some kind of argument debate on the subject for no reason whatsoever. Which you did knowingly.

That is baiting.

no, the bar was moved.
i wasn’t the one who did that.
i was asked to prove a thing.
i proved the thing.
it was the “prove it” dude who made the claim about their faction.
… not me.

I’m sure you would not tell outright lies, so I guess you must be developing memory problems. Is there a history of Alzheimers in your family?
Just to jog your poor memory, here is the original mention of this topic in this thread. You might note your statement that Horde were complaining.

it’s a relatively short flight from the shrine, and I’d grab a few mining nodes on the way.

this didn’t stop horde from complaining that they had to travel soooooooo much further than alliance to get to from their shrine to the farm.

it’s interesting how suddenly you’ve got fond memories of traveling between places with actual purpose during the travel… but somehow, being expected to do the same thing now, is a bad thing.

You’ve made it clear, (by posting a non-complaint by an Alliance player instead,) you cannot support your claim, so why not give it a rest?

If you continue derailing this thread with untruths I will not answer further, I will merely report for trolling.

[Zeerionjax-argent-dawn (Zeerionjax)]

If you continue derailing this thread with untruths I will not answer further, I will merely report for trolling.

I’ve flagged him for trolling several times already and will continue to do so every time I see him trolling. He posts in a popular thread so he can be sure that he’ll be heard, just flag him and move on. If you don’t feed the troll, eventually he will go away…

That being said, the removal of the portals was just another nail in WoW’s coffin lid, it’s getting nailed down tighter and tighter with everything ActiBlizz/the dev team takes away from it.

Semper Fi!

[Kiwì-dentarg (Kiwì)]

The newest PTR build just added the Caverns of Time portal by adding a whole lower level of the portal room.

Why would they dig down and not use that room where those little peons are locked up. And why are those peons locked up?

Don’t get your hopes up. Based on where they put COT on alliance side they are not planning to return the rest. They just didn’t have room for that portal in the main room.

[Jops-zuljin]

i guess that means you weren’t one of the people who were offended at the thought of being expected to do something as outrageous as pvp.

I wasn’t thrilled about it, but I wasn’t “offended”.

way to remove the context

Not at all. In context your point was “horde had to travel further to get to the farm, is the same as us having to travel further now because of portal removal.”. And it’s not. 50sec vs 60sec on one travel party is not the same as arbitrarily adding 3 minutes or more to many destinations.

Posted by Jopsy:
But to suggest that I was some how aggrieved by the distance inequity of the horde/alliance shrine to farm trip… is ludicrous. Beyond trivial.

did i actually do that? …or are you just trying to add more drama?

Ah, I see how it is, you preemptively accuse me of removing the context so that you can blithely ignore it yourself and think yourself immune from getting called on it.

Nice try.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

That being said, the removal of the portals was just another nail in WoW’s coffin lid, it’s getting nailed down tighter and tighter with everything ActiBlizz/the dev team takes away from it.

Is it too much to ask that they actually ADD something too it? I’ve commented off and on since cata (occasionally here) that the return portal from uldum has been a glaring oversight. Every other zone in cata had a return portal, except that one.

I asked people if I missed a quest or something, and apparently, it never got added in. Much like those missing raids. The old dev team missed a beat now and then…but at least they didn’t focus on gutting quality of life features like there was an end of year bonus for removing the most of them.

Don’t get your hopes up. Based on where they put COT on alliance side they are not planning to return the rest. They just didn’t have room for that portal in the main room.

Because they wanted a “good” reason not deny players more convenience in the future:

“Well, we wanted to give you guys more portals…but as you can see, there’s just no ROOM! Sorry, not sorry. Feel free to give us more feedback for the circular file!”

[Kilhub-khazgoroth (Kilhub)]

i don’t have access to the information you’re after.
i can only give an opinion, which you can simply disagree with… so i don’t know what sort of answer you’re looking for.

I can tell you how it is decreasing the playerbase and making the game worse. And that is the point of this thread. If you can’t look at a change and say thats amazing, then it probably isn’t a change worth implementing.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

You’ve made it clear, (by posting a non-complaint by an Alliance player instead,) you cannot support your claim, so why not give it a rest?

i can’t prove it was an alliance player at the time of posting.
I supported the claim by finding a thread from over half a decade ago, where it clearly shows that it was a thing… do you think that one poster was the only one to bring it up?

It was a clear example of how people are upset at how far they have to travel, (even when portals to everywhere exist) and how people will find anything to complain about, no matter how trivial.

Ah, I see how it is, you preemptively accuse me of removing the context so that you can blithely ignore it yourself and think yourself immune from getting called on it.

for the people calling me a troll, be aware that what Jops was responding to here, was not my quote.
(so you not only remove the context, you’re now trying to completely change it)

I can tell you how it is decreasing the playerbase and making the game worse.

not allowed to say things unless you can prove it … remember?

the rest of your post makes you sound like a horrific racist.

[Kilhub-khazgoroth (Kilhub)]

the rest of your post makes you sound like a horrific racist.

Wasn’t trying to be, and edited the post.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

Wasn’t trying to be, and edited the post.

ty.

i even heard it in the intended voice.
(i guess i’m racist too)

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

I can tell you how it is decreasing the playerbase and making the game worse. And that is the point of this thread. If you can’t look at a change and say thats amazing , then it probably isn’t a change worth implementing.

Considering the amount of people who are leaving based on their posts in this thread because this is their final straw (because of a long string of poor decisions on the part of the devs), you can objectively measure the decrease in the game’s playerbase…one player at a time.

While the devs themselves have a more accurate count of that because of their birds eye view, someone with a lot of time and a spreadsheet could do some analytics and track the outflow of subs and discontent across the forums from wod to now.

If you can’t look at a change and say thats amazing , then it probably isn’t a change worth implementing.

This, is basic business practice. Unless you are intentionally sabotaging your product, similar to the old henry ford junkyard story (not sure of that’s true or one of those urban legends), you don’t go out of the way to intentionally make calls you know aren’t working for your business. Like trying to pad the metrics, a move their own reports are telling them is a losing strategy.

i can’t prove it was an alliance player at the time of posting.

One you said wasn’t relevant…yet you keep the issue going. And before you say “but someone else is the one posting!” I’ll point out that you also keep bringing up the issue of “I can’t prove it wasn’t an alliance poster at the time of posting.”

If it’s “not relevant” like you keep saying…drop it. Don’t respond to it and actually answer a question related to the topic, like:

How does removing the portals either increase the playerbase or improve the game?

do you think that one poster was the only one to bring it up?

That’s an interesting supposition, let’s check in with…

not allowed to say things unless you can prove it … remember?

I guess not. Looks like you need some proof, by your own standards.

[Jops-zuljin]

for the people calling me a troll, be aware that what Jops was responding to here, was not my quote.
(so you not only remove the context, you’re now trying to completely change it)

I’m responding to this:

this didn’t stop horde from complaining that they had to travel soooooooo much further than alliance to get to from their shrine to the farm.

it’s interesting how suddenly you’ve got fond memories of traveling between places with actual purpose during the travel… but somehow, being expected to do the same thing now, is a bad thing.

Is that not you?

Because, IN CONTEXT, you are suggesting (intentionally or not) that I had a problem with the shrine/farm distances that I’ve since forgotten.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

Is that not you?

that is me, but that wasn’t what you quoted, and wasn’t what i was referencing.
I was referencing the post where you’ve taken something you said, and made it look as if i said it.

Because, IN CONTEXT, you are suggesting (intentionally or not) that I had a problem with the shrine/farm distances that I’ve since forgotten.

No, IN CONTEXT, you’re taking something which was said in a different paragraph, and trying to marry the two.

The shrine was not mentioned in the paragraph you’re referencing.

[Jops-zuljin]

that is me, but that wasn’t what you quoted, and wasn’t what i was referencing.
I was referencing the post where you’ve taken something you said, and made it look as if i said it.

I apologize. It should have been obvious by indentation that I was including the post you were replying to. I’ve gone back and edited to make that more clear.

No, IN CONTEXT, you’re taking something which was said in a different paragraph, and trying to marry the two.

The shrine was not mentioned in the paragraph you’re referencing.

To simplify your post, from my viewpoint:

“Your team complained about X.”

“You, suddenly, have no problem with ‘old X’, but think that ‘new different X’ is bad.”

If you can’t see how those two thoughts are connected, well, there’s no hope for ya.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

“You, suddenly, have no problem with ‘old X’, but think that ‘new different X’ is bad.”

was the gist of the statement.
nothing more.

[Kasim-hyjal]

I have to congratulate the resident troll on having successfully derailed the thread onto an irrelevant sidetrack, and continuing to do so by insisting on repeating untruths.

It’s really time we get back to ignoring irrelevant argumentative trolls.

[Jops-zuljin]

Jopsy:
“You, suddenly, have no problem with ‘old X’, but think that ‘new different X’ is bad.”

was the gist of the statement.
nothing more.

Fair enough. And to respond to that and that alone. There’s no “suddenly” about it, I fine with it back then and completely unaware of anyone having a problem with it.

It’s not like our shrine was originally closer and then suddenly moved 50% to 100% further away for no absolutely no comprehensible reason.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

I have to congratulate the resident troll on having successfully derailed the thread onto an irrelevant sidetrack, and continuing to do so by insisting on repeating untruths.

It’s really time we get back to ignoring irrelevant argumentative trolls.

QFT.

I really tried getting him back on track. A million opinions, but an answer for

How does removing the portals either increase the playerbase or improve the game?

ain’t one of them.

[Pyromor-shandris (Pyromor)]

Wow,you guys really got Nobully’s attention this long

[Illoramoan-grizzly-hills]

Portals were removed in the Cataclysm yes, when ‘Deathwing shattered all magic’ in the worlds. Portals were not removed at any other time and the only reason they’ve given now is that they always have?

and the portals in Shattrath?

Removed at the same time. Were you not here for the explosions? People trapped on Outland with no way to get back to Azeroth except help from other players? Why do you think the Shrine and Legion Dalaran both have portals to Orgrimmar/Stormwind despite the corresponding portals not leading to that location?

How do you expect the portal removal to improve the game or lure more people to play? Your expectations, not requiring insider information.

[Albricksen-zangarmarsh (Albricksen)]

Why would they dig down and not use that room where those little peons are locked up. And why are those peons locked up?

The new area of the Orgrimmar portal room IS beyond one of those rooms with the peons. On the PTR, the room towards Orgrimmar now has a stairwell leading to a new portal chamber. It’s ultimately better than just adding a portal in one of those tiny side rooms because there’s now room for more portals.

Don’t get your hopes up. Based on where they put COT on alliance side they are not planning to return the rest. They just didn’t have room for that portal in the main room.

The room endcap where the CoT portal is in Stormwind is a totally different model than the one used on live. On live, that endcap has shelves, while on PTR, the endcap is identical to the ones that have portals.

That means the main room of the Stormwind portal room is made from modular parts. The stairwells that currently serve as decorative elements to the room are closed off by doors that seem to resemble the ones in the Paladin class hall, and are probably not attached to the room meshes.

They may or may not return the rest of the portals, but they could potentially add more due to the modular nature of the portal rooms.

As it stands, they should add more portals to make travel more efficient, and there’s no real reason not to unless there is a large amount of pressure from higher ups regarding increasing time played metrics (which is a distinct possibility). I’m sure there are better ways to achieve favorable time played metrics than gutting world travel, though, so there is no reason for not making the portal rooms better.