Rearranging and Removing Portals

[Taienna-aerie-peak (Taienna)]

To be expected though from someone who has demonstrated a chronic inability to understand posts.

that sound you heard was my nearly choking on my own saliva reading this and watching my irony meter nearly explode

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

All you have come up with is an Alliance posting a rebuttal to claims of bias.

what happened to “pics or it didn’t happen”?

can you prove what faction was the player when they made the post 6 years ago?

you can assume, but you don’t actually know.

i was asked to prove a thing, i proved the thing, and now there are a bunch of added caveats lol

oh, I see, one person responding to a thread you started about problems with the vale, all of which seem pretty trivial considering the design problems that have become Blizzard standard practice since then.

yep, it was a thread which i started.
something which i rarely do. (unless it’s a bug report)
yep, it was trivial… but no less trivial than any of the other allegedly “game breaking” choices which have been made.
Life went on.
Just as it has with the removal of a couple of portals.

Technically “people complained” implies plural . You found one. So, you’re halfway there.

I found one because i only looked for one.
I was told it didn’t happen.
I was lied to.
…and now I’m being harassed about it, even after I’ve shown the doubters to be wrong.

woohoo!

[Kilhub-khazgoroth (Kilhub)]

You just want to be reported for trolling again, so that this post becomes locked again.

When a person can be reported in a thread, and instead of that persons’ posts going invisible, the thread goes invisible, then that pretty much sums up BfA thus far.

I mean the intentions to do the right thing by players is there, it is just that the execution is horrible.

[Illoramoan-grizzly-hills]

What puzzles me is that the portal prune is exactly the kind of stunt that Blizzard pulled with the water strider, and yet some people are overjoyed about losing travel options they earned the right to use by leveling and annoyed at losing travel options they earned the right to purchase and use.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

You just want to be reported for trolling again

was that aimed at me?

…the person who keeps trying to bring the thread back on track?

it doesn’t matter how many times i ask people to post about portals, they don’t seem to want to do it… they’d rather devote their time to attacking me… as if i was the one who took their beloved portals away.

that pretty much sums up BfA thus far.

players have complained about every aspect of every expansion since forever.

people aren’t happy unless they’re complaining about something… meanwhile, 100% of the people who are playing, have managed to cope with the removal and relocation of portals.

some people are overjoyed about losing travel options they earned the right to use by leveling and annoyed at losing travel options they earned the right to purchase and use.

probably because people can see the difference between the world which we know changes, and static items which have not previously been subjected to this sort of change.

Portals have been removed and/or relocated previously, it’s a thing which happens.

However, previously when mounts had changes, the old versions were grandfathered, and remained untouched.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

and yet… this “portalgate” term was not used in the post you were referencing.

It’s there. Once again you are not being honest about what other people have posted, much like your earlier accusation of claiming an explination wasn’t posted when you left off the part where one was given in the same paragrapgh when you quoted it. That’s not “twisting words,” that’s you being flat out dishonest.

(nor is “portalgate” actually a thing, other than in your own mind)

I wish I had coined the term, but that honor goes to someone else. It’s been all over wowhead (severe malware/malicious ad warning to anyone who goes there, make sure your antivirus and related computer protection software is on and up to date if you go to that site) and mmochamp as well I believe, as well as other sites, fan videos etc. I can come up with an interesting turn of phrase, but this one isn’t mine. To whoever did, you have won the internet for 72 hours.

put the quote into a search engine if it means that much to you.

That’s not how quoting sources works. You made a claim, provided no support for it until pressed, than pulled a quote with no source for it out of thin air. If we were discussing a general topic, like say flat earthers and someone said “never heard of it,” that would be an appropriate time to say “use a search engine.” That you failed to provide it, and given your track record, it’s obvious something else is going on…as we’ll find out in a few posts.

there is no connection.

A definitive statement with no supporting evidence. Much like your earlier claim that someone’s statements regarding travel to the MoP farm for one faction was wrong and yours was right…because reasons.

you’re attempting to align portals, with a totally unrelated political scandal.

Care to elaborate? I missed the political scandal where a real life administration was bogged down over their handling of a magical transportation network. The press coverage, hearings, etc on that one would have been interesting.

The only real reason I can see is that Blizzard wants us to stay centered in a few areas so we won’t notice that there are fewer players AND Blizzard’s continuing stealth removal of various areas.
Anyone gone to the Abysmal Depths lately? I know, many of you don’t care; trust me, that’s how it starts.

Pretty much. It also allows them, in addition to the other reasons I outlined above in my previous post…to start cutting corners like they did in wod again. Remember why the entire world there wasn’t “flip of a switch” ready? Because they removed a huge quality of life feature (much like we’re discussing here) and they cut huge corners on the quality of development resources they put into the world as a result.

These issues are connected, and they aren’t just decided and standalone issues in a vacuum.

So, not so much a complaint about how far the Horde Shrine is from the farm, as a counter to the “Horde bias” claim.

Interesting how the full quote gives a much different picture of what the issue was really about. And now we know why a link wasn’t provided to it in the first place.

This plays a big role. When you herd people into one area, the game does look busier than it is. There is another reason though…

They needed to get people to be in areas they are measured on. When the suits sit down with the developers to discuss the xpac performance, they want facts and figures.

This too.

Considering the spectacular train wreck that bfa is so far…they’re pulling out all the stops to try and make the emperor’s new clothes look like an Armani suit.

Honestly, the removal of portals isn’t the problem – the fact that there isn’t a Dazar’alor/Boralus Harbor hearthstone is the real issue. If I had a Dazar’alor HS I could then set the normal HS to wherever is useful to me, and I’d never even notice the removal of portals.

They technically added one…you just need to grind the new content to buy one. 300 medals on Alliance side, and I imagine a similar cost on yours. Gotta pad those falling metrics, no matter how ineffective their own reports tell them this strategy is!

Ah, jops beat me to it. But I missed the point about alts, which compounds the metrics issue and shows how alt unfriendly bfa is, another complaint we had from legion.

The changes to the water walking strider mount is due to the fact that people used this mount to save travel time.

Clearly they want players to spend more time travelling. I don’t know why they wouldn’t be more focused on increasing sub numbers, but clearly they believe that a model that has fewer players travelling more is more profitable.

Because this would require them to do real work on improving the game, rather than the cut/paste model that requires as little work as possible from them that they’ve been following since wod. The only real work they seem to be doing is finding new ways to gut quality of life features from the game, lock them behind inane gates/grinds, or “improves” them into the point of non-functionality.

Like “repairing” a coffee machine to automatically fill your cup with 40% toxic waste rather than water. “It’s improved!”

[Illoramoan-grizzly-hills]

Portals were removed in the Cataclysm yes, when ‘Deathwing shattered all magic’ in the worlds. Portals were not removed at any other time and the only reason they’ve given now is that they always have? It is exactly the same as the strider! It’s exactly the same as master loot, exactly the same as level scaling, exactly the same as item-level scaling. It all sucks the fun out of the game.

[Kilhub-khazgoroth (Kilhub)]

was that aimed at me?

…the person who keeps trying to bring the thread back on track?

it doesn’t matter how many times i ask people to post about portals, they don’t seem to want to do it… they’d rather devote their time to attacking me… as if i was the one who took their beloved portals away.

I’ve said it to you before and I will say it again.

How does removing the portals either increase the playerbase or improve the game?

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

Portals were removed in the Cataclysm yes, when ‘Deathwing shattered all magic’ in the worlds. Portals were not removed at any other time and the only reason they’ve given now is that they always have?

and the portals in Shattrath?

How does removing the portals either increase the playerbase or improve the game?

i don’t have access to the information you’re after.
i can only give an opinion, which you can simply disagree with… so i don’t know what sort of answer you’re looking for.

[Kasim-hyjal]

To be expected though from someone who has demonstrated a chronic inability to understand posts.

that sound you heard was my nearly choking on my own saliva reading this and watching my irony meter nearly explode

I’m puzzled.
Are you disagreeing that this applies to Nobully?

[Kasim-hyjal]

All you have come up with is an Alliance posting a rebuttal to claims of bias.

what happened to “pics or it didn’t happen”?

can you prove what faction was the player when they made the post 6 years ago?

you can assume, but you don’t actually know.

i was asked to prove a thing, i proved the thing, and now there are a bunch of added caveats lol

oh, I see, one person responding to a thread you started about problems with the vale, all of which seem pretty trivial considering the design problems that have become Blizzard standard practice since then.

yep, it was a thread which i started.
something which i rarely do. (unless it’s a bug report)
yep, it was trivial… but no less trivial than any of the other allegedly “game breaking” choices which have been made.
Life went on.
Just as it has with the removal of a couple of portals.

Technically “people complained” implies plural . You found one. So, you’re halfway there.

I found one because i only looked for one.
I was told it didn’t happen.
I was lied to.
…and now I’m being harassed about it, even after I’ve shown the doubters to be wrong.

woohoo!

You claimed Horde were complaining.
You have not shown any indication any Horde ever complained.
You have proven nothing other than you cannot admit you were were wrong, and prefer to bluster, bully and obfuscate.

So now you are just flailing, hoping the night elf hunter who made this post may have possibly once faction changed from horde?

I didn’t realise one player in one thread could provide us with so many laughs.

[Jops-zuljin]

Jopsy:
it’s a relatively short flight from the shrine, and I’d grab a few mining nodes on the way.

this didn’t stop horde from complaining that they had to travel soooooooo much further than alliance to get to from their shrine to the farm.

it’s interesting how suddenly you’ve got fond memories of traveling between places with actual purpose during the travel… but somehow, being expected to do the same thing now, is a bad thing.

Just to rewind back to the start of this branch of madness.

I had some complaints about MoP, I could probably find them, I tend to keep notes on stuff. Generally I was happy enough with MoP that I got 6 or 7 alts legendary capes.

I didn’t like Jade Forest, it was a pain in the butt to fly through, with those spires. I didn’t like how long the flightpath to Isle of Giants, Thunder Isle and Timeless Isle were, but shrug it was what it was.

And like a cyclical player I eventually burned out on what there was to do, and took a break until the next expansion roll-out started.

But to suggest that I was some how aggrieved by the distance inequity of the horde/alliance shrine to farm trip… is ludicrous. Beyond trivial.

And to say that portal removal, etc, is “the same thing” … is a complete joke. You can do better.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

You claimed Horde were complaining.
You have not shown any indication any Horde ever complained.

you haven’t proved that the poster was alliance at the time of posting.

regardless, that was ONE post i managed to pull up.

i was told it never happened, i showed it did.

now stop calling me a liar.

… i have NO problem admitting when i’m wrong.
source: this thread, where i’ve happily admitted to being wrong… when i was.
this is not one of those times.

So now you are just flailing, hoping the night elf hunter who made this post may have possibly once faction changed from horde?

no need for me to flail, i was here when it happened.

choose to believe your own fantasies if it helps you get through the day.

I had some complaints about MoP, I could probably find them, I tend to keep notes on stuff. Generally I was happy enough with MoP that I got 6 or 7 alts legendary capes.

i guess that means you weren’t one of the people who were offended at the thought of being expected to do something as outrageous as pvp.

And to say that portal removal, etc, is “the same thing” … is a complete joke. You can do better.

way to remove the context

But to suggest that I was some how aggrieved by the distance inequity of the horde/alliance shrine to farm trip… is ludicrous. Beyond trivial.

did i actually do that? …or are you just trying to add more drama?

It’s there. Once again you are not being honest about what other people have posted, much like your earlier accusation of claiming an explination wasn’t posted when you left off the part where one was given in the same paragrapgh when you quoted it. That’s not “twisting words,” that’s you being flat out dishonest.

did. not. happen.

Care to elaborate? I missed the political scandal where a real life administration was bogged down over their handling of a magical transportation network.

no, you’re the one trying to marry the two… unrelated things.

A definitive statement with no supporting evidence.

so.

ABOUT THOSE PORTALS???

[Albricksen-zangarmarsh (Albricksen)]

Well we now know how new portals will be added to Orgrimmar. The newest PTR build just added the Caverns of Time portal by adding a whole lower level of the portal room.

Currently the CoT portal is the only portal down there (and is not functioning yet), but it is interesting.

The main room of the Stormwind portal room itself is modular, which is confirmed by the changes made to accommodate the CoT portal there. I’m thinking for Stormwind they might extend the side of the room that has Boralus for the next portal or two that they add and then they will add additional levels like with Orgrimmar.

All that said, I hope they start adding back other useful portals like Karazhan and either Dalaran Crater or some other northern Eastern Kingdoms portal.

[Zeerionjax-argent-dawn (Zeerionjax)]

This.

It’s like someone taking a sledgehammer, coming in, destroying your nice top of line fridge and it’s completely well stocked contents…

…and finally replacing it several months later with a mini fridge with that really nice gallon of milk that you buy.

Then acting like they should get the Nobel peace prize for doing some great service for humanity.

But then they get a really puzzled look on their face when you point out that the fridge is nothing like the one they wrecked in the first place…and the rest of the contents of the previous fridge still need to be replaced.

“But the gallon of milk is the exact brand and size of the one I smashed before! Aren’t you happy I replaced it?”

THIS! This right here, ActiBlizz. This is the dev team or whoever is responsible for all these idiotic decisions since WoD. Hit the nail right on the head.

It’s like being in an abusive relationship where the customers are the victims telling ourselves that, “Well, ActiBlizz promised this time is the last time they’re going to hit us, so I’ll give them another chance.”, and then the very next expac, we show up at work with another black eye telling people we ran into the cupboard door, again,

That describes how I feel that I and the rest of the playerbase have been treated by this dev team or whoever has been making these terrible decisions since WoD. Which is why I cancelled my account.

Semper Fi!

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

you haven’t proved that the poster was alliance at the time of posting.

You are claiming they aren’t. The burden of proof is on you, not him. We’ll wait for your supporting evidence. Unless you expect someone else to provide you with a link (which doesn’t help your case)…again.

did. not. happen.

What, this:

nope, checked the previous post, nothing about portals mentioned.

Even when they do the next portalgate, because they’ll find some other quality of life feature to gate, remove, or “improve” by turning into some nonsense feature that makes no sense and the time, manpower, and development resources wasted on it would have been better spent on developing real content for the game, and/or fixing the myriad of other issues that have been plaguing the game for years.

Or this:

have you just invented some new rule that entire blocks must always be quoted, and entire posts must be responded to, in full?

So, you typed that up for no reason then. There’s an old adage about telling the truth: you never have to remember which stories you made up.

Getting hard to keep track of when you made stuff up here…

no, you’re the one trying to marry the two… unrelated things.

No really, please tell everyone about the real life magical/political scandal you keep referring to. Because we all missed it somehow.

so.

ABOUT THOSE PORTALS???

I have, multiple times…but you keep ignoring those parts of the posts and pretending that I’m not discussing them. A bit like when you didn’t answer another poster on the subject:

How does removing the portals either increase the playerbase or improve the game?

I’m curious to hear this as well.

Currently the CoT portal is the only portal down there (and is not functioning yet), but it is interesting.

I love how they can’t even keep their word on the PTR…

“Here’s portal placeholder! It’ll totally be there…SOON™”

The really interesting part about all of this: if removing the portals had caused some kind of catastrophic failure to the game code, they clearly had no “Plan B” on fixing it, as they clearly burned all the old code for the original portals. I know people were joking earlier when we were talking about it…but it’s a bit concerning that they didn’t have a rollback in place in case this actually crashed the game.

But that’s the current dev team for you: they’ll literally make the game unworkable just to stick to their precious “vision.” No matter how many customers it costs them.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

You are claiming they aren’t.

No, I’m not.
I’m simply stating there is no way (other than asking the poster) to know that information.
I’m not making any claims about their faction, nor is it relevant.
I was told it didn’t happen, I showed it did.
People apparently can’t just say “thanks for the link, sorry i doubted you” and move on with their lives.

So, you typed that up for no reason then. There’s an old adage about telling the truth: you never have to remember which stories you made up.

why are you doing this?
anyone who cares enough to check the chronology, can see that i’m not the one manipulating the conversation.

Getting hard to keep track of when you made stuff up here…

i don’t need to keep track, but it seems you’re having trouble with it.

No really, please tell everyone about the real life magical/political scandal you keep referring to. Because we all missed it somehow.

You’re the one who keeps using the term “portalgate”, it’s up to you to explain it… not me.

A bit like when you didn’t answer another poster on the subject:

???
Scroll up.
the response is LITERALLY on the post you quoted.

however, i’m still waiting for you to explain your random word salad.
I even opened it up to the entire population, and nobody else was able to explain it either.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

That describes how I feel that I and the rest of the playerbase have been treated by this dev team or whoever has been making these terrible decisions since WoD. Which is why I cancelled my account.

You and several million others, unfortunately. Talking with a lot of people who are thinking of joining the ever growing list of “offline” friends who went dark since the days of wod and never returned, even during the free weekends they give out. I even let people know in real life about them just to see if they’ll hop on for the weekend…but they have been burned so badly by this current lead and his band of killjoys that they won’t come back to wow.

…but still they persist in destroying portals and fiddle while they burn the once great place known as Azeroth.

No, I’m not.
I’m simply stating there is no way (other than asking the poster) to know that information.
I’m not making any claims about their faction, nor is it relevant.

…and yet, you brought up the question of if they were even on that faction to begin with. You now admit it wasn’t relevant to begin with. Meaning, that to even bring it up, you were trying to start some kind of argument debate on the subject for no reason whatsoever. Which you did knowingly.

That is baiting.

You’re the one who keeps using the term “portalgate”, it’s up to you to explain it… not me.

And there you go again. I provided that one some time ago.

however, i’m still waiting for you to explain your random word salad.

Interesting how you keep saying that…yet you managed to respond to it just fine. Multiple times. You spamming that’s it’s “random” doesn’t make it so, especially when you were able to follow along without any problems.

the response is LITERALLY on the post you quoted.

That’s debatable. A “response,” sure… as in the bare minimum definition of the word, but you didn’t answer the question. In fact, you specifically said

i don’t have access to the information you’re after.
i can only give an opinion, which you can simply disagree with… so i don’t know what sort of answer you’re looking for.

It’s a fairly simple question, and why you can’t answer it…especially since you are so keen on discussing the topic is interesting.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

…and yet, you brought up the question of if they were even on that faction to begin with. You now admit it wasn’t relevant to begin with. Meaning, that to even bring it up, you were trying to start some kind of argument debate on the subject for no reason whatsoever. Which you did knowingly.

That is baiting.

no, the bar was moved.
i wasn’t the one who did that.
i was asked to prove a thing.
i proved the thing.
it was the “prove it” dude who made the claim about their faction.
… not me.

Interesting how you keep saying that…yet you managed to respond to it just fine. Multiple times. You spamming that’s it’s “random” doesn’t make it so, especially when you were able to follow along without any problems.

you seem to have glossed over the part where i said i understood the inference, but didn’t understand the reference.
i still have no idea what your analogy was meant to mean, and i’m guessing you have no idea what it was meant to mean either, because you refuse to break it down, and nobody else has been able to translate it on your behalf.

It’s a fairly simple question, and why you can’t answer it…especially since you are so keen on discussing the topic is interesting.

no, it’s not a simple question.
it’s a loaded question.
i can not answer it, because i don’t have access to the information.
…which is why i said i don’t have access to that information.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

no, the bar was moved.

So, this isn’t cliché when you use it. This is a double standard.

i wasn’t the one who did that.

You did when you decided to run with it, if you now want to claim it’s someone else’s to begin with. Either way, you knew what you were doing and still baiting because, as you previously pointed out: you said it had zero relevance to the discussion.

you seem to have glossed over the part where i said i understood the inference, but didn’t understand the reference.

Ah, so it’s only a certain % random now. Good to know. Not taking your bait on the rest.

no, it’s not a simple question.

It is, and one you still refuse to give an answer to.

it’s a loaded question.

See, you’ll offer an opinion on someone else’s state of mind and intentions…but can’t give one about the portal decisions on the game? Interesting how you chose to assume the worst of them, when they were more than likely asking a question to move the discussion forward.

i can not answer it, because i don’t have access to the information.
…which is why i said i don’t have access to that information.

You can’t access your own opinion on this issue? Given your posts on this thread…I find that very hard to believe!