Rearranging and Removing Portals

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

Take a look at a timeline comparison between Legion and BFA. People were kept busy during Legion, which is why they did not level alts early on

Not sure where you got that snippet from, or what it’s attempting to show, or how it’s meant to apply to anything.
(or why the writer doesn’t know the difference between “tomb” and “tome”, or how to spell Karazhan - seems like some pretty dodgy reference material based on those two things alone)

Collecting Legendaries was huge and it kept people engaged in the game.

rng was atrocious, and while some people were swimming in legendaries, other people were getting none.
it was no more “fun” than the azerite grind.

People weren’t kept busy early on… they busied themselves by leveling alts.
From a personal standpoint, i’ve never had so many max level characters so early in an expansion as i did in Legion.

Also, you don’t want to start discussions on other topics, maybe don’t start them off in the first place with:

as you can see by the little arrow on that post, my post was a response, not a conversation starter.

Yes, because if I give someone a bowl of sand and call it “cereal” they won’t be happy if I tell them to dig in an pretend it’s lucky charms.

But hey, it’s in a bowl, right?

i don’t understand your analogy.

content is there.
choosing to ignore it, doesn’t make it “not” content.

I have never figured out your insistence that we consider blizzard’s efforts.
So what?
Everyon e works at something or other; I really don’t need to know the who/how/what of things like games. ‘DO I like them’ is really the only issue.
‘‘If a game’s not fun, then why bother?’’ THAT is the question Blizzard needs to remember, when thinking about players.

read.
read my post.
now absorb it.
see how you’ve taken it completely out of context?

If you still believe you haven’t taken it out of context, would you be kind enough to explain how “fun levels” have anything to do with behind the scenes upkeep of the game?

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

as you can see by the little arrow on that post, my post was a response, not a conversation starter.

Ah, so you wanted to make a statement…but not want anyone to respond to it.

That’s not how forums, public discourse, or life in general works.

i don’t understand your analogy.

How convenient. Does calling something by a different name suddenly turn that item into what you choose to call it by?

Unless you have real alchemy/tramsmutation powers…the answer is no.

Cut/pasting zone quests that were already completed earlier and redoing them as “world quests” doesn’t suddenly make them “new content,” having players return to the same dungeons 2-3 times or more for a quest to kill bosses that lore wise they’ve already killed isn’t “new content,” and so on.

What is “new content” once you hit max level…is actual new content!

One example was Isle of Thunder, from the last real expansion (MoP) that actually offered real content rather than metric padding time sinks, rng slot machines, kill and fill bars with nearly zero story, removing more content than it puts in, ever dwindling quality of life features, and slogfest grinds that have been “THE BIGGEST DEV TEAM EVER” go to moves since we were promised “THE BIGGEST XPAC EVER!”

It had an unfolding story that allowed each faction’s server to compete against the other faction’s server (remember when we had enough people on each server to do stuff like that?!), that culminated in the unlocking of the raid. Sure, it became a daily hub, but it had great content for PvP and PvE players alike. It had story, it had people actually playing together doing stuff, it had solo content, it had everything…but that was back when the previous dev team actually cared about putting quality, effort, and pride into their work and the game and it showed.

The same massive lack in those areas have really come across in the wod and afterwards yaers…and by Uther’s Hammer, does it show.

I love how they say that it is only the lack of the COT portal and not the removal of all the portals in New Dal. Nice spin.

If he put as much effort into making a quality game as he did into the spin (going back to the wod days), we’d have over 20 million people playing right now.

: (

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

Ah, so you wanted to make a statement…but not want anyone to respond to it.

That’s not how forums, public discourse, or life in general works.

that’s exactly how they work.
people make statements.

someone made a statement, and it seems you didn’t understand my response… i can craft it in long form for you if you want…

player said they don’t want to spend their time traveling, they only want to spend time doing what they want to do, because travel is boring and repetitive.

player chose to ignore that what they “want to do”, is no less boring and repetitive than the travel itself.

The other way forums work, is to disregard stuff which derails threads… which is what i was choosing to do, by not pursuing further clarification from the poster.

…but there you go.
I’ve now provided the longer, totally pointless, and off-topic response which wasn’t needed.

How convenient.

not sure why it’s convenient.
the sentence makes no sense.
if anything, it’s inconvenient, because you’d prefer to get snarky instead of explain what you mean…
…but i suppose that’s what people on forums do.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

that’s exactly how they work.
people make statements.

…and this is where I’ll point out you intentionally left out half the sentence, which was the important part: the “but not want anyone to respond to it.”

Unless of course that was part of “that’s exactly how they work.”

instead of explain what you mean…

I did, but you keep “forgetting” that even if you leave out the rest of the section you “forgot” to quote, it shows I did explain. So in addition to trolling, you are also not being honest.

My mistake was in ignoring the old rule of internet discourse: don’t feed the trolls. I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt, and that was my mistake. Lesson learned.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

What is “new content” once you hit max level…is actual new content !

One example was Isle of Thunder, from the last real expansion (MoP) that actually offered real content rather than metric padding time sinks, rng slot machines, kill and fill bars with nearly zero story

Isle of Thunder was mostly just a daily quest hub… which contained all the stuff you just said is horrible.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

I did, but you keep “forgetting” that even if you leave out the rest of the section you “forgot” to quote, it shows I did explain. So in addition to trolling, you are also not being honest.

have you just invented some new rule that entire blocks must always be quoted, and entire posts must be responded to, in full?

Look.
i know what your analogy was alluding to.
…that still doesn’t help me understand the random combination of words you used in your analogy.

…but i’m guessing it’s irrelevant, because there doesn’t seem to be any portals in your bowl.

[Wanobi-dark-iron (Wanobi)]

have you just invented some new rule that entire blocks must always be quoted, and entire posts must be responded to, in full?

Nice try at moving the goal posts. You made the false accusation something wasn’t explained, edited the quote to make it appear that way, and then hit reply.
That’s on you.

Look.
i know what your analogy was alluding to .
…that still doesn’t help me understand the random combination of words you used in your analogy.

If you knew what the analogy was, then it wasn’t a “random combination of words.”

In short, you were baiting and trolling…again.

[Alfgerdhr-moon-guard]

(Comes onto the forum; looks around)
(Takes a sign nailed to a post from under her arm and rams it into the ground: it reads…)
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
(Hefts her axe and shirld into a more comfortable position and wanders off)

[Lillyann-llane (Lillyann)]

So CoT portal in 8.2? Now we need blasted lands back. That was a great portal to get to blackrock and the many dungeons and raids there.

[Jops-zuljin]

Isle of Thunder was mostly just a daily quest hub… which contained all the stuff you just said is horrible.

It was the daily quest hub until timeless idle, which pretty much obsoleted it.

Daily travel was usually: queue for a daily random heroic, start at the farm, do the daily quests there, then fly to Thunder isle (or timeless Isle) do the dailies there, hearth and switch to an alt. Typically ONE long travel break.

Now, if we’re doing the tortollan or champions emissary, or anything in the enemy faction island it’s, long travel break, wq, long travel break, wq, long travel break, wq, long travel break… And even if it’s the other emissaries, the zones are so big that travel becomes a major drag.

Not that any of that has anything to do with your point.

My point is: it was more engaging back then because we weren’t constantly being put “on hold” chained to passive flight points between brief moments of actually playing the game. Travel now is too intrusive and disruptive. Portal removal and tampering with water striders only makes it worse.

Which more than any other reason, imho, is why people find BFA “boring”. Too danged much sitting around waiting.

[Kiwì-dentarg (Kiwì)]

Which more than any other reason, imho, is why people find BFA “boring”. Too danged much sitting around waiting.

I agree with your point here. I had 3 turtle quests to do. One was in each zone. It took me 5 minutes to get to the first quest, 30 sec. to do the quest. 3 minutes to get to the second quest, 1 minute to do the quest. 5 minutes to get to the third quest, 2 1/2 min. to do the quest. 3 minutes to get to the turtle base and turn the emissary in.
Total travel time: 16 minutes.
Total questing time. 4 minutes
X
the 4 toons I did this on
64 min. Travel Time
16 min. Questing Time

[Sharaesdel-staghelm (Sharaesdel)]

tl:dr, Blizz would have better metrics if they made better (imo opinion) content and forcing people to play content won’t work for the most part.

If Blizz were truly invested in upping its metrics, it would pay attention to one thing…making people want to be in game instead of feeling forced into the game.

They want to make the world feel bigger? Put stuff in those old zones so people have a reason to check them out again. I remember right at the beginning of Legion, they did random events where you would have to fight off a Legion force. There would be so many people involved in those that you could barely see the Legion forces for all of the players that were there.

Taking away portals doesn’t mean that players are going to become more invested in BfA. And Blizz seems to be pushing players harder and harder to stay in BfA content by making pretty much everything else more difficult to do. But its not going to work, forcing players to do the content is going to alienate a lot of players. Trying to pad player numbers to justify the content created is just going to end up with the backlash Blizz is dealing with now.

I get that a lot of people like BfA. And I’m happy for them. But the more I’m watching BfA unfold, the more I’m glad that I finally unsubbed. I don’t plan on coming back until Blizz restores the portals…all of them…and makes crafting somewhat less of a mess than it is now.

To me at least, removing the portals is more than just removing the portals. Its them telling me that what I want to do in game is not what they want me to do, and Blizz doing just one more thing to force me into BfA content. By returning the portals, Blizz, at least to me again, will have acknowledged that certain players play a certain way, and accepts that. Until that point, I’ll just go elsewhere.

Mind, I’d rather be playing WoW. I’m invested in the lore. Heck, I watched Anduin grow up from a kid into who he is now. I don’t have that history invested anywhere else. But story alone can’t make BfA enjoyable for me. So…I wait.

[Zeerionjax-argent-dawn (Zeerionjax)]

Still thinking that removing those QOL things like portals, flight, dynamic classes(they’re not don’t even try to say they are) and a few hundred other things was a good idea, ActiBlizz? I see you’re back to having a survey for those cancelling their accounts, maybe you see what we’re talking about, perchance?

Here’s some advice: YOU’RE PART OF THE PROBLEM! STOP BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM!

Ya hearing me there, sweethearts?

Semper Fi!

[Jops-zuljin]

64 min. Travel Time
16 min. Questing Time

You have more patience than I do. They could add a zero to the tortollan emissary reward and I’d only -maybe- do it on my main, I hate them -that- much.

And you know how Blizzard will fix this? They’ll make all the WQ’s “kill 20x of these slow spawning trivial mobs that people are fighting over so that you won’t finish the WQ so quickly from now on. There. ‘fixed’.” Or more tedious slow-motion snore-fests like ‘beachhead’ which, even if perfectly executed still takes 2 minutes because it’s SLOW.

SIGH.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

You made the false accusation something wasn’t explained, edited the quote to make it appear that way, and then hit reply.

no quotes were edited.
no goal posts were moved. (did you run out of cliches? you use this one a lot)

If you knew what the analogy was, then it wasn’t a “random combination of words.”

no, i still don’t know what the analogy itself was meant to mean.

…because once again, your random, nonsensical combination of words didn’t just start making sense because you thought it should.

In short, you were baiting and trolling…again.

i’m going to put this one back on you.
you’re baiting and trolling, by continuing to refuse to break it down, while choosing to keep harping on about it.

So seeing as you want to make the thread all about your analogy, let’s just do that, shall we?

Let’s see if someone else will be kind enough to explain what this is meant to mean. (not metaphorically)

if I give someone a bowl of sand and call it “cereal” they won’t be happy if I tell them to dig in an pretend it’s lucky charms.

But hey, it’s in a bowl, right?

Daily travel was usually: queue for a daily random heroic, start at the farm, do the daily quests there, then fly to Thunder isle (or timeless Isle) do the dailies there, hearth and switch to an alt. Typically ONE long travel break.

how did you get to the farm?

Which more than any other reason, imho, is why people find BFA “boring”. Too danged much sitting around waiting.

maybe this is poor planning on your behalf… i don’t seem to spend a whole lot of time just hanging out on flight paths.
i don’t have an issue with the amount of “time spent” flying places.
…i don’t understand where the “sitting around waiting” comes from… because i find the exact opposite.

My point is: it was more engaging back then because we weren’t constantly being put “on hold” chained to passive flight points between brief moments of actually playing the game.

it wasn’t more engaging though…
nostalgia is an odd thing.

waiting around for mobs to spawn, with no multi-tap… is not engaging game play.

running around trying to find body parts is probably one of the biggest time-sink quests the game has ever seen.

[Jops-zuljin]

it wasn’t more engaging though…
nostalgia is an odd thing.

waiting around for mobs to spawn, with no multi-tap… is not engaging game play.

running around trying to find body parts is probably one of the biggest time-sink quests the game has ever seen.

I enjoyed thunder isle far more than I’m enjoying the “where in the world is my next WQ” snorefest. I don’t mind a bit of repetition while waiting for my queue to pop.

Missing my queue popping because I was tabbed out for another flightpath and didn’t notice it makes me grumpy.

[Nobully-blackrock (Nobully)]

Missing my queue popping because I was tabbed out for another flightpath and didn’t notice it makes me grumpy.

if you’re queued while tabbed out, have the sound in background activated so you can hear when the queue pops.

I enjoyed thunder isle far more than I’m enjoying the “where in the world is my next WQ” snorefest.

each to their own, i guess.
i’d prefer to be out and about in the open world, over being confined to a little instanced island.

[Gawp-emerald-dream]

I have a mage…and I dont see a portal to the Caverns of Time.

There’s one in old Dalaran tower….

[Jops-zuljin]

There’s one in old Dalaran tower….

That one vanished some time ago, for my alts at least. Ymmv.

[Jops-zuljin]

i’d prefer to be out and about in the open world, over being confined to a little instanced island.

I would probably feel likewise if I had war mode on most of the time, but I don’t. Because I hate getting ganked while afk. Even with background sound on, it doesn’t help if I left the room looking for something to do while waiting for a flight path.