Who said I’m a PvPer? I’m at a solid 0 honor kills. Of course, I also play on Mankrik, because I saw this sh!t coming, and wanted no part of it.
Face it, the systems might be the same from 2004, but the players are not.
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So trying to help faction balance is the same as BFA? Again, this is beyond delusional. A “sandbox” does not mean there’s no rules or guidelines or that blizzard can leave everything up to the players or we would have no game. The factions being incredibly unbalanced might be fun for a handful of people but for the vast majority of us we don’t want to 5v1 or 1v5. The reason it’s this way is there is literally 0 structure so players are also left with being on either side or being on a dead server. We have servers to fill but blizzard is doing the minimum to redirect and fill properly.
Yes, like I said. You want a more structured, fair PvP experience, you’re looking for a MOBA. World PvP in WoW has always been unstructured, and unfair. It has been since the beginning.
Look, I understand. You want some nice, fair, 5v5 PvP matchups, where everything is based on player skill, instead of luck and numbers. What I’m telling you is that you want Overwatch or League of Legends, not WoW.
Sounds like PvP happened on a PvP server. Perhaps re roll PvE?
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First: In the defense the people who rolled PVP, it’s worse than they imagined I’m sure. I rolled on a PVE server because I’ve seen honor without BGs thing before, and I stopped playing because of it. To this day, I have not logged into that account again. I remember not being able to kill a single mob for hours on end.
Second: PVP servers are going to be unbalanced because people don’t like being ganked all the time. That’s the reason we don’t have PVP servers any more.
Finally: I hope they allow realm transfers for these people, because I want Classic to succeed. I don’t ever want to do that endless resource grind that is retail. I like to play alts.
Anyways. That’s my 2 cents. Wish they had simply opened BGs with honor. I know it’s different, but so is the population.
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I also understand you will never have a fair perfect game. Even if faction balance was absolutely perfect there would still be 5v1s happening. What makes this unfair to the point of messing up the entire pvp experience is the severity. Servers should be at a 40/60 at most. At least that would be somewhat playable pvp wise. Blizzard should be striving to give played the best classic experience and they are treating the game like a pocket filling side project with minimal effort and band aid fixes at best.
Blizzard is trying to give players the same sandbox they had back in the day. What the players do with the sandbox is on the players, not Blizzard. Once you have Blizzard telling people how to play, you move to how the game is in Retail today.
No one is stopping anyone from rerolling. True addons are breaking much of the experience. Though to say the least anyone who played Vanilla or watched a few youtube vids should have expected this. It’s not shocking or surprising and those who knew and didnt want it started on pve.
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No you don’t have retail. And they don’t have to tell anyone how to play. The keyword with this is “incentivize”. Forcing players on servers would be great for faction balance but terrible for players as most would quit.
Give players options. Give alliance free transfers in-between servers (with a cooldown) that have low alliance and give horde free transfers to servers with low horde (with a cooldown) and offer paid transfers.
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No one should have to reroll and waste their character because blizzard can’t control their game. This is a stupid option and anyone who says “just reroll” is stupid. I know that’s not the best debate but not sure how else to put it.
The idea of an RPG is to progress and have a character you want and put time into. People get attached as you should in an RPG. Just rerolling goes against the spirit of the game and genre.
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I agree with this option I would pay
Yeah, because people are TOTALLY going to jump at the chance to join a disadvantaged faction and get ganked relentlessly. Yes, I completely agree, that will solve everything. /sarcasm
They need to take measures to balance the servers, not compound the issue by allowing alliance to further topple the ratio.
Make a thread supporting realm faction ratio queues, or a thread about not having CRBGs until factions even out substantially, and you’ll have my support, but not this garbage.
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BGs are not going to remove players from WPVP that don’t care as much for honor as they do an unfair fight and to grief other players. All BGs are going to do is remove from WPVP those who would have otherwise come to your aid.
BGs are not the answer to the imbalance issue.
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No it won’t but it will help. BG queue times would also help. I’m also just some loser on a forum. If i or others can brainstorm ideas that would be the least disruptive then I’m sure a multi million company can.
But I’m glad you agree no one wants to be on a disadvantaged faction and that there is a problem.
If you see the character as a waste then you did not enjoy leveling and playing the character much at all. Which is to say a massive part of classic. Most people knew what was gonna happen. A roadmap was put out. We know what Vanilla was like. Most logical people rolled on both pve and pvp servers. This is like that meme with the kid putting stick in the bike.
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Except vanilla wasn’t like this so that argument is incorrect. And that doesn’t make the character a waste it makes the game a waste. You can’t actually play your character how it’s supposed to be or how the game is supposed to be.
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Oh, I never said that there wasn’t a problem. It is just a problem of players’ own making, and should be solved by players. One need only look at what happened to PvP servers in the past to foresee that they would be toxic, imbalanced sh!tshows in Classic. Anyone who didn’t see this coming was either too hopped up on nostalgia, or was willfully blind to the realities. Either way, they chose their fate, they chose not to leave when transfers were offered, and they chose not to reroll. Now they’re whining about their choices.
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Did you play PvP in Vanilla? I did. Other then spy addon it is the same. Just a lot more of it and faster. I knew to also role on a PvE server when I didnt want to PvP. What is your excuse? Assuming you dont actually like the game and was just hoping to have a bigger stick then the other guy.
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Yes. And in case you forgot Orcs are on the horde… I don’t want a bigger stick them the other guy. I would prefer to have real world pvp. A full raid of horde vs a couple alliance is not PVP.
It literally can’t be more clear. This isn’t people "not wanting to PVP on a PVP server. This is people not wanting to be 5v1’d indefinitely. That is not fun for either side and people are going to continue quitting until all PVP servers are just the few horde left and no alliance. There will not be PVP on PVP servers. How long do you think people will stick around to get completely overrun to where they can’t level or dungeon or assemble a team to counter them as they will literally always be out numbered? I’ll tell you, it’s not long. Classic won’t die, but PVP will.
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