Hey look, another immature deflection to distract from the fact that you don’t have any proof for your claim.
You are undermining our side of the argument by demanding proof with no proof yourself.
We only have our own opinions on if its good or not and trying to go this route makes us look bad because all actual numbers show this is the lowest selling expansion and the dragon isle zones are not overflowing with players. that is the only evidence any of us can use and it can all be used against flying.
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I’m not the one that made the thread and then made assertive claims about dragon riding’s popularity or lack thereof. So yes those people doing that and then turning around and barking at us about “lack of proof” is hypocritical deflection.
“Dragon isle zones are not overflowing with players” is not proof. It’s not even a metrics-based statement. It’s purely “I feel like this is the case”. As for Dragonflight not selling well: assuming it’s true, don’t you think it might have something to do with it coming after the most unsuccessful and controversial expansion in WoW’s history? There is absolutely no basis to attribute the lower sales numbers to dragonriding. In fact that’s especially unlikely because if they haven’t even bought the expansion that means they haven’t tried dragonriding.
Naw, if you demand proof and are not in a position of authority you should provide your own before demanding it of others otherwise you are making yourself look bad. Also, your talking points also apply to your side. You have no evidence or metrics to show anything either and thus this is now just an argument of perspective.
I can find his perspective in proof though via forum searches and all the threads on the topic. Not only do those started about how bad dragon flight is contain more complaints than positive, so do the threads stating its a good mechanic.
Thats the only actual metric there is to go on, but its something. This is why you shouldnt use the demand for evidence trap unless you yourself have some to show you are in the superior position.
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Loathe pathfinder and rep grinds
Just give an option to pathfinder or buy it with gold so it becomes another cash shop gold buy shortcut motivation
When I get regular flying I explore the world, it’s relaxing and fun
When I get pathfinder I sit in town and never leave to avoid the annoyance and friction
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Ridiculous statement.
Lecturing us about not having proof that dragon riding is disliked is projection i.e. identifying the flaws with your own argument and projecting it onto the opposing side in the hopes that it deflects scrutiny from yours. Extremely dishonest.
There is little evidence that there’s any significant backlash against dragonriding. It’s basically a few obsessive weirdos on general discussion. It generally gets positive reception. For every thread you find about people complaining about dragonriding, I can just find one like the opposite:
https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/11az1va/to_everyone_who_said_at_dfs_launch_ok/
https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/z80uby/dragonriding_is_the_biggest_w_in_wow_in_a_long/
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragon-riding-everywhere/1435202/2
(last one OP was against dragon riding but most of the posters and poll results were for it)
Again, it’s only really obsessive cliques on the official general discussion forums that hate it and helicopter hover over every thread/spam new topics against it. This forum tends to attract a type of player that’s extremely resistant to any sort of change. A lot of these same people also went ballistic over the new Dragonflight UI which is an objective improvement over the old one. Don’t pretend forum posts are a good barometer here. It’s skewed towards critical opinions in the first place (because people who are angry are more likely to post than people who are happy) and it’s not like you’ve personally counted all the for v.s. against posts.
Outside of this bubble, Dragon riding is generally a well-received feature. It receives overwhelmingly positive coverage from WoW influencers and Blizzard sees it as such a success that they’re expediting the effort to get dragon riding in all the old continents as well. Compare this to something that was actually extremely controversial and broadly hated i.e. Shadowlands covenants. In that instance it was hard to find any positive coverage at all and within a few months they were compromising to the critics.
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Reminder to the haters that this is how Dragonriding is viewed outside of your cliques:
This list is actually pretty good.
Until mage tower as only S.
Now the list is trash.
Edit: I just saw the “made the game worse” category. Lost me on everything there too.
He is broadly correct. Maybe you just have bad taste. Considering you unironically defended the covenant system I’ll go with that.
All I hear in a lot of the I hate dragonriding threads are the same basic group of maybe 10 people just screaming the same thing over and over again on how they can not do it. So thus they hate it. Because they hate it, this means to them everyone else must also hate it. And if you do not agree with them, they will tell you to go away from their so called thread because they own it some how and their view is the only view that is allowed to be posted. And add in how they just totally somehow just hate everything about dragonflight xpac but somehow when they get old school flying it will just make their life so much better. I still have yet to figure that one out.
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I can’t lie, I did enjoy covenants. Couple redesigns, couple balance tweaks, and some improvement to legendary options and it would have been great.
i personally enjoy dragon riding and hope that it doesnt die when we move on to the next xpac, when they eventually mix the two together in certain zones i hope that there is reward for going with dragonriding vs regualr flying.
My only wish for dragon riding is the ability to latch onto the sides of cliffs & steep terrain since there is no hover button
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Perhaps if you didn’t make such a big show of how much you supposedly don’t care (after posting dozens of times) you wouldn’t be invited to go participate in a discussion you might actually care about.
But, no, let’s act like you - the player who got everything they wanted - is somehow the victim here.
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Yeah i wanted a game that respected my time and didn’t felt like it was trying its best to waste it and you wanted the opposite.
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It was a lot more than a couple tweaks away from being balanced, and frankly what the game needed was better refinement of the classes without spending all the time on borrowed power. It made no sense to pack everything new into borrowed power when many classes including the one you’re posting from had severe baseline issues that were never addressed (e.g. broken undertuned talents).
Anyway, the biggest contention with covenants was the initial goal to make them difficult to swap. I haven’t heard your opinion on that part yet.
Some people are so thick headed and never learn. Just double down over and over again no matter how many times they are shown to be wrong and even with people that say they agree on the fundamentals.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/patch-about-to-drop-and-only-one-rep-at-15-for-pathfinder-feel-like-giving-up/1689608
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragon-isles-pathfinder-really-just-give-us-good-flying-back/1693440/6
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/a-plea-to-blizzard-for-regular-flying-in-dragonflight/1440885/797
I am just touching on the long list ignored just to keep posting acting as if you are right to argue with someone on your own SIDE.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/pathfinder-again-lession-not-learned/1673244/1406
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/has-dragonflight-been-a-hit-or-miss-for-you/1692327
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/omg-dragon-riding-sucks/1426981
The amount of threads about dragon riding is LONG and even the positive ones have more negative remarks including your first link.
Reddit? And OLD reddit at that? You could not even find a thread with more than a few replies…
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/14ma70i/expansion_comparison_how_do_you_feel_about/
Wow, that wasnt hard at all. more replies than all yours combined and the second top comment is about how the expansion is great but the unsubbed and cant figure out why.
And my GOD man, posting links to gaming site articles that are all biased and paid for actually did something I did not think possible. Made you look even worse. That is not proof. Will you please stop making us look bad. Its embarrassing now. What next, are you going to link to some hack influencer that makes 100% positive videos as proof and pretend like it isnt how they make their money, feeding fanboys mind-numbing echo-chamber content?
I can see why THEY stopped replying, you are literally winning their argument for them. At least try to find one thing that has more people positive than negative that can match the very thread you are in let alone all the others there are on the topic because an reddit, with 33 replies aint going to hold water to threads with over 1,000k.
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Do you have any new links with which you wish to validate your opinion? “Between 18 and 7 months ago, someone believed something I happen to agree with!” is not compelling evidence. Some of the comments are clearly from months before the expansion came out.
So, how is dragonriding keeping butts in seats in this expansion today?
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As if your side don’t act like Blizzard has cut off your legs in have Dragonriding in the game over old school riding from the start. Really some of the big over loaded drama worded, falling off the bridge commits to as why some cant dragonride in this xpac has come from the anti dragonriding group.
I would wager the challenge races are great casual content added to the game.
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Two things. One, for it being considered “borrowed power” we sure did keep a lot of it. Two, that awful borrowed power is gone and those talents are still bugged and under tuned. What are we blaming now?
Edit: Number 3. Hunter is an even bigger head scratcher. It should have had 4 really balanced covenant options. Necro was orginally the best. But people complained that it was boring so it got nerfed. Kryian should have been equal to NF, but Pely took huge nerfs based on player feedback.
Flayed Shot ended up being the best pvp/ st, even though several hunters assured me, it was awful. Some tweaks to resets like moc and it would have been good for aoe as well.
Again, two things. One, Opening them up did not increase experimentation or diversity. It just re-enforced meta harder. Two, S1 ret and S2 exodia are what happens when there are no barriers to fotm reroll. You either re-roll or rip.
You are correct. We have different opinions. I felt AP respected my time. I played, my character got stronger.
I do not think farming raz bow for 30 some odd kills on 2 hunters respected my time at all. But you promised that no bonus rolls and the great vault would fix rng. =(