Really long winded advice thread

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Hey there fine people (and goblins, gnomes, cows, orcs etc) of Azeroth. I bring you an advice and opinion thread that I’m sure has been discussed a million times but… How could one more hurt?

I’m an original wow-er… 2004 into 2005 brought me a game, a universe even, that would affect the entire course of my life - and I don’t say that at all hyperbolically. Vanilla wow was one of the most amazing experiences ever… Getting caught up in the lore, the adventuring… Feeling great senses of accomplishment when completing crazy attunement quests and such was a truly amazing experience. Making friends that would go on to become some of the closest RL friends I have to this day, and growing into one of the most advanced guilds on the server…

TBC was equally amazing… Server first boss kills, drunken Tuesday night Kara raids, and so much more lore! I started reading the Wow books, digesting all the lore I could and becoming really engrossed in the story.

WotLK saw my main shift to a DK but the wonder of it all stayed the same… The same core group of guys and gals that all met as fledging noobs out in the plains of Azeroth years earlier, still taking a couple nights a week to get together and take down some awesome content…

But then life happened… We started getting married and having kids and focusing on careers. The band broke up and things just didn’t feel the same. I myself ended up leaving when Cataclysm was launched and Wow became but a very fondly remembered memory.

I missed Cata and Mists, but sometime around Draenor I started playing Hearthsotne. It gave me that familiar, sort of like going home again, feeling albeit not the same but it was nice. I could see some of my old guild buddies on my list, some having changed servers, some having switched factions, but they were there and in talking to them I was convinced to give wow another go. I Bought Draenor, leveled two toons to 100, got some sweet endgame content done, went a little crazy with battle pets but then left again before the next expansion.

If you’re still reading this novel, 1) thank you and 2) I promise the point is near.

I still play hearthstone and I enjoy playing it with my now 9 year old son. I love talking to him about lore, and why text on voice overs on certain cards are what they are - you know, doing my part in cultivating another nerd - and last night while he and I were playing HS I saw on my list that one of my old guild mates was on our old server and in Black Temple. I messaged him, “You’re on the old server fighting Illidan? What is this, 2008?” And we laughed and started talking a bit. We talked about the current state of the game and then he sent me a link to the BFA cinematic…

Well… Every nerdy nerve in my body went crazy… Sylvanas’, “FOR THE HORDE” war cry felt like it was directed right at me. Like an old war veteran I was immediately ready to go take up arms and return to fight with my brethren. And while I say this all a bit tongue in cheek, it really did stir something in me. Maybe a want for nostolgia, maybe a little yearning for days gone by, but I immediately started looking at how much it’d cost to play again, if even just a little.

I messaged my buddy again and he told me to log on a toon under 20 so he could show me some stuff and we proceeded to run around Org for a solid hour or so…

So, the point… If you had all been gone for 3-4 years, knowing what you know now, would you say jumping back in with a couple lvl 100s would be worthwhile? If so, would you just get legion for $20 and play a bit or would you go straight to BFA, take the level bump and go or would you just advise to stay away and let find memories remain as fond memories?

Wow that was really long… I’m really bored at work today. Lol.

TL:DR I played high lvl wow Vanilla - Arthas… played a little of Draenor. Is it worth jumping back in and if so, where at and what advice would you have?

Thanks, folks. And, in the words of the Banshee Queen, FOR THE HORDE!! =}

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow

This forum is for the version of WoW that brings back the vanilla version of the game. Most of the people here haven’t been subbed in a while or they don’t like retail at all. Copy paste this post there.

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Oh… I’m sorry. Thank you for the heads up. My apologies.

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It’s good. Just letting you know you may get really biased answers here. Most of the people here hate retail which is why we are here.

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Biased answers are also welcomed. Why do you hate retail? Maybe your hatred for retail are exactly the reasons why I shouldn’t reinstall… Also… You can play vanilla wow again? Maybe that’s an even better idea. Haha.

Thanks. I’ll post to reddit too and try to get an overall consensus. =}

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I quit at tail of end of burning crusade and game back for BFA and have been enjoying seeing all levels of the games (from the newer zones to the revamped old ones).

I have no desire to raid, mythic+, or really any gear treadmill though and can give no advice on what that level of play is like.

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But in response to your thread (with a classic tie-in): the BFA cinematic they used to advertise is absolutely awesome and convinced me to start playing again at the end of legion. I’ve been waiting for classic and am really excited for it. Until then I’ve been leveling characters up about to the end of wrath content and then getting bored and starting over. I like leveling in the classic zones, but it’s extremely different now. I haven’t bothered to level anything up to 120, but the one zone I did do in BFA was pretty fun. It’s worth the cost of a sub to me, but a lot of people don’t think it’s worth it and are waiting for the classic servers to be released.

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Thanks!

I have no desire - nor the time and required effort - to raid seriously again… it’d be more about just going back to my gaming roots and running around all awkwardly in a whole new world with 10 yr old epics. Lol. More questioning if there was enough enjoyable content to make it a worthwhile expenditure… 100 bucks is 100 bucks… or if all the changes have made it so unrecognizable that it wouldn’t be worth it. =}

I really appreciate your feedback.

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There’s also the New Player forum, and if you’ve (re)activated your sub, the Returning Players forum. They’re listed right at the top.

Not everyone hates the current version of the game. Many are enjoying it, that’s why it’s still around. But keep in mind that there’s also hype as well as bias, and not just in these forums.

Just start paying the sub ($15) and you can level up to 110, the only other cost to you is if you want to upgrade to BfA at some point. “Base game” is no longer a purchase option, or buying previous expansions.

Not yet, but they’re adding a Classic client sometime around summer. From what I understand, your sub will also grant access to that.

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I found the game very recongizable and still enjoyed. Still looking forward to classic but I will be playinh both

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If your talking about worth jumping back into retail, well that’s up to you to decide really but in my honest opinion no. It’s not worth paying 50$ + 15$/M just to do barely anything when it comes to grinding gear. From when I last played in legion all you do is just raid for a few hours, spend another hour in a M+, then you can just log off for the rest of the week until server reset, unless if your up for bgs/arenas, or grinding easy stuff like low level mobs, gold and stuff.

Otherwise if your talking about classic, well I think its worth going back but I don’t think its worth the sub bill. Why have a sub on a game that will get no content updates, worst yet the classic servers being mostly dead in the next few gears at least after launch?

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I wrote a really long answer to this question here.

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I didn’t read this but I will try to pack this into as short of an answer as I can.

The biggest reason for me is that there just isn’t anything to do. Now a lot of people will argue that there is tons of stuff to do in retail but it was very empty unrewarding things that hold no value. So whenever I come back this is how it goes. I level to end level, do some dungeon runs and get the best gear I can, do the current raid, then after that it is nothing but endless torture of running these ‘world quests’ over and over again or doing the random ‘thing of the day!’ in order to get just a little bit better gear. This is all in the span of a month. So in a month I can hit end level, gets COUNTLESS amounts of gear, and then run out of stuff to do unless that thing is to repeat the same 10 quests that basically make go to a random spot on the globe, gather 10 flowers, and then get a piece of loot. And the loot is completely random too so it could be a lower item level than what I have on, or it could ‘roll up’ into something way better. And this is retails version of ‘content’.

The game is also made around all servers being connected at once so there is no more community. It is all just people spamming group finders, linking your GS in order to get the invite, no one says a word in the group, you clear what needs clearing, and then everyone leaves group without saying a word. It just feels awful.

Not to mention pvp… How pvp and pvp groups are formed is the biggest upset for me. You use to have to make an arena team, and STICK with those people and push together unless you decide to leave and you lost everything to work your way back up. Well now everyone just has personal rating. So this is what the process is for when you very first start out to when you get a highish rating. Lets say you have no rating.

Go into LFG. Find a team that says “LF chill players” or “Low cr push”. Ask for an invite. They ask you a million questions like “Whats your highest rating? Whats your personal rating?”. And the second question will exclude you from about 80% of the invites if you have no rating. You constantly just beg for someone to invite you so you can at least get some. Find a group. Play games with them until you get one or two losses and one person inevitably ends up leaving without a word. Go back into LFG and repeat process. Do this until you get like higher rating to get groups easier. Then people will start not inviting you to group because of your class. So now you are limited to people in your rating, who are specifically looking for your class/spec, and who accept you highest rating achievement. Get in one of those groups after waiting for an hour. Play a couple games and hope to GOD you win because 9 times out of 10 they will just kick you if they lose because you are the new guy. Do this until higher rating. Keep looking for groups and the less and less people are at your rating so it takes longer to find a group. Finally find a group and they say they want to keep queing with you because you did good. Log back in and find out they replaced you with a different player of your class because you weren’t online at 3am. Go back into LFG.

I could write you a book on this issues with the game but I just personally think it isn’t worth the money.

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This guy is probably in the minority on this forum on Classic where most of us are really excited about Classic, barring a few folks who just hang around to make sarcastic comments. :grin:

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That hasnt been my experience even down to some of the logistical things you mentioed. World quests are random gear, you know the reward from the map. The path to getting into raiding is easier now due to all the sources of gear and lots of people love the progress that mythic+ provides (I am not that person, lol)

Also you, leveled 1-120 and got geared up ready for raids in a month? Did you not spend anytime enjoying the ride? I mean yeah you could do it but you missed a lot of what wow is.

This is all coming from someone who did not play any content post BC, so your milage may vary on the wanting to see lvl content.

Edit: Retail could be a good place for you to hang out a couple months if you ware just waiting for classic. Who knows maybe you’ll really like it, lol. Or decide to play both like me :slight_smile:

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You’re actively playing Modern now, you’re level 111, and you didn’t play any content post BC? I’m confused.

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Come on seriously, esp if you looked at the other things I posted in this thread. I quit tail end of BC and didnt come back until a couple weeks before BFA launched. Boosted a character with the free BFA boost. This is actually my brother character he transfered to my account. He had a baby and couldnt play right after buying BFA and said here you go merry christmas, lol.

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If you’re looking to come back and join up in BfA after not playing since Cataclysm, I think you will find that the look and overall feel of the game is the same, but the systems and the progression of your character will be vastly different.

The game of yesteryear is more of a traditional MMORPG, where each class has it’s advantages and shortcomings, and your character progresses as part of a community/faction with a larger goal. You aren’t a hero so much as an adventurer in a bigger story line.

The game of today is mostly an Action-RPG with quests on rails geared towards decking out your character in epics as quickly and easily as possible. You are a hero of your faction and NPC’s regard you as such. Each class plays closely with the others, and everything has been homogenized to the point that lots of classes feel the same as their role counterparts. If that’s you’re thing, cool. BfA will scratch that itch.

Speaking personally, I’m not interested in the direction that retail has gone, so I am eagerly awaiting classic. I’m intrigued by having exploration again where quests send me halfway across the world to unknown lands as opposed to sitting in your class hall, or garrison. A return to simple questing with an emphasis on discovery. I don’t need fancy rewards dangled in my face every time I log in and all the cool new ways to achieve them. I want leveling to max level to simply be the challenge, and to enjoy being a part of a community that is bigger than any one person or hero.

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One of my favorite posts in this forum. Couldn’t agree more.

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Just going to guess maybe he was 110 already? Plus leveling in retail wow has to be the MOST unfulfilling thing I have even got in a video game, and I’ve played no mans sky.

So you’re in a honeymoon period still… I remember thinking wod was going to be one of the best expansions while I was leveling… yup

All in all it seems you are new to the ‘new’ version of wow. So of course the fast paced gear shower probably is fun for you no doubt. But it’s a similar feeling to having all the cheat codes active for gta, it’s a blast! Until you realize there is nothing to do and nothing really seems worth it.