Read my Lips, NO SHARDING

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Because they’ve stated they may possibly have to use sharding in an extremely limited fashion, for a very short amount of time; you believe that they’ve completely gone against that tenet?

They never said what you said they did:

their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

okay but their feelings was initially no sharding in classic
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
now it’s sharding during launch window.
and yet modern tech, according to galdor, needs sharding during normal day to day operations in retail.
so what makes you think blizzard isn’t going to need sharding for world events and AQ? something iirc you actually think blizzard should do. despite the fact that blizzard has stated only sharding during launch and starting zones.

so tell me. why should i trust them?

Because they have actively said they know how antithetical it is to Classic and that it’s only meant to be a sort of emergency thing. They’re still exploring other options themselves.

If you’d actually pay attention, you’d know this.

yes i know they have said this.
my point is that their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.
refer to the link provided.
we have since moved those goal posts to using sharding at launch to keep things stable.
so whats to prevent blizzard from moving the goal posts again in the name of stability?

they don’t exactly have a trustworthy track record with sharding.

They haven’t gone and said they want it in. In fact, they’ve said the opposite. Plus, the biggest mouthpiece for Classic has been Bridenbecker, not the lawyer (Ion). I think we can trust that he wants it just as little as we do.

As for moving the goalposts? It really, REALLY depends how many people we get playing. I highly doubt Classic will have nearly as many realms as BFA, and I also highly doubt they’ll start adding more to what is essentially just a niche side project with no real expectation of profit.

“No expectation of profit” basically means “we don’t expect a lot of people to be playing this at all.” Sharding is on the table just in case they’re wrong.

and my point still remains. they already moved the goal posts once, in the name of stability.

They didn’t do it definitively. They did not definitively say there WILL be sharding at launch. They said there MIGHT be, and that they’re looking at other avenues.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Because they’ve stated they may possibly have to use sharding in an extremely limited fashion, for a very short amount of time; you believe that they’ve completely gone against that tenet?

They never said what you said they did:

their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.

did you not read that interview?
that interview where they said no sharding.
then a year later we are at most likely sharding at launch in a brief limited fashion?

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

They didn’t do it definitively. They did not definitively say there WILL be sharding at launch. They said there MIGHT be, and that they’re looking at other avenues.

this is true, and i’ll be pleasantly surprised if we don’t have sharding at launch.

[Starbûck-caelestrasz (Starbûck)]

Can’t wait to experience waiting for a mob with a 5+ minute respawn timer that only 5 people at a time can tag (assuming people group up even), Oh the joys when there is literally hundreds of people waiting.

I honestly don’t understand how you think you’re going to get an “authentic experience”, the pop of Classic launch will be much larger than the original launch.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Can’t wait to experience waiting for a mob with a 5+ minute respawn timer that only 5 people at a time can tag (assuming people group up even), Oh the joys when there is literally hundreds of people waiting.

I honestly don’t understand how you think you’re going to get an “authentic experience”, the pop of Classic launch will be much larger than the original launch.

i completely understand we are likely to end up with sharding at launch. my goal is to ensure that it remains as the most recent advertisement because blizzard has a god awful track record with sharding.

my goal - limit sharding to 1 to 10 only and during a brief 2 to 3 week launch window only. and then removed for good, no matter what, end of discussion.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Because they’ve stated they may possibly have to use sharding in an extremely limited fashion, for a very short amount of time; you believe that they’ve completely gone against that tenet?

They never said what you said they did:

their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.

did you not read that interview?
that interview where they said no sharding.
then a year later we are at sharding at launch in a brief limited fashion?

I’m sure he did. Thing is, we’re not as emotionally connected to this issue as you seem to be. We’re willing to take some hits just so we get a playable game. You, on the other hand, are being entirely unreasonable and immature about this whole thing.

There is zero reason to believe sharding will even make it into Classic at all at present, let alone make it past the first week or month if it does. We don’t have any data to go off of. Nothing that’s strictly relevant, anyway.

The reason I brought up the flying thing was because their devs had previously stated how much they detested flying and wanted it gone. They were given carte blanche to do so by a damn General forums thread that agreed with them. Then we got that whole bait and switch up until the “Nope, you’ll never fly again in any future content” announcement and the entire forums lost their minds.

This situation is entirely different. The devs have maintained they do NOT want sharding in Classic, and they’ve also said phasing and CRZ will not be in there either. They said that at BlizzCon. The only reason they would ever bring sharding in is as an emergency measure to manage the population and keep the damn servers from crashing.

If you want crashing servers, well… I’m sorry, but I don’t think highly of those that do.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Because they’ve stated they may possibly have to use sharding in an extremely limited fashion, for a very short amount of time; you believe that they’ve completely gone against that tenet?

They never said what you said they did:

their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.

did you not read that interview?
that interview where they said no sharding.
then a year later we are at sharding at launch in a brief limited fashion?

I’m sure he did. Thing is, we’re not as emotionally connected to this issue as you seem to be. We’re willing to take some hits just so we get a playable game. You, on the other hand, are being entirely unreasonable and immature about this whole thing.

There is zero reason to believe sharding will even make it into Classic at all at present, let alone make it past the first week or month if it does. We don’t have any data to go off of. Nothing that’s strictly relevant, anyway.

The reason I brought up the flying thing was because their devs had previously stated how much they detested flying and wanted it gone. They were given carte blanche to do so by a damn General forums thread that agreed with them. Then we got that whole bait and switch up until the “Nope, you’ll never fly again in any future content” announcement and the entire forums lost their minds.

This situation is entirely different. The devs have maintained they do NOT want sharding in Classic, and they’ve also said phasing and CRZ will not be in there either. They said that at BlizzCon. The only reason they would ever bring sharding in is as an emergency measure to manage the population and keep the damn servers from crashing.

If you want crashing servers, well… I’m sorry, but I don’t think highly of those that do.

i’m being unreasonable and immature because i don’t trust blizzard about something they have historically if not lied about, at least greatly bent the truth.

yeah okay.

i stand by my original statement - if they shard 1 to 10 and only a brief window, i’ll live.
the moment they use sharding elsewhere for any reason at all, they will start bleeding subs.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Also, just as a note: I’ve not seen a single thread asking for sharding. I’ve seen a crapload of threads asking for NO sharding, but not a single one asking for sharding. I have seen some posts in said threads defending it – hell, I’ve defended it myself – but I have never started, nor seen someone start, a thread that is asking for it.

That’s gotta tell you something, at least. Not just about us but about the ramifications for Blizzard.

[Starbûck-caelestrasz (Starbûck)]

I understand, I personally want sharding on launch in super high congested starting zones, and thats it, no other sharding either.

Blizzard isn’t stupid, they know we dont want sharding, but they also understand how many people will get frustrated and out right quit because of hundreds of people clustering in a starting zone.

Its not even the authentic experience at that point, people will literally have zero clue what to do, there is no “adventure” its lag and nothing to do.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Also, just as a note: I’ve not seen a single thread asking for sharding. I’ve seen a crapload of threads asking for NO sharding, but not a single one asking for sharding. I have seen some posts in said threads defending it – hell, I’ve defended it myself – but I have never started, nor seen someone start, a thread that is asking for it.

That’s gotta tell you something, at least. Not just about us but about the ramifications for Blizzard.

you clearly have not been paying attention then.
their has been threads where people have stated they want the role of sharding expanded.
anywhere between using it only in non contested zones
to using it in every zone
to using it for world events and aq
to using it permanently. everywhere.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Also, just as a note: I’ve not seen a single thread asking for sharding. I’ve seen a crapload of threads asking for NO sharding, but not a single one asking for sharding. I have seen some posts in said threads defending it – hell, I’ve defended it myself – but I have never started, nor seen someone start, a thread that is asking for it.

That’s gotta tell you something, at least. Not just about us but about the ramifications for Blizzard.

you clearly have not been paying attention then.
their has been threads where people have stated they want the role of sharding expanded.
anywhere between using it only in non contested zones
to using it in every zone
to using it for world events and aq
to using it permanently. everywhere.

I was under the impression those were troll posts and not to be taken seriously.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Also, just as a note: I’ve not seen a single thread asking for sharding. I’ve seen a crapload of threads asking for NO sharding, but not a single one asking for sharding. I have seen some posts in said threads defending it – hell, I’ve defended it myself – but I have never started, nor seen someone start, a thread that is asking for it.

That’s gotta tell you something, at least. Not just about us but about the ramifications for Blizzard.

you clearly have not been paying attention then.
their has been threads where people have stated they want the role of sharding expanded.
anywhere between using it only in non contested zones
to using it in every zone
to using it for world events and aq
to using it permanently. everywhere.

I was under the impression those were troll posts and not to be taken seriously.

some are trolling obviously, but their are some who do legitimately want sharding.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

if they shard 1 to 10 and only a brief window, i’ll live.
the moment they use sharding elsewhere for any reason at all, they will start bleeding subs.

You can only speak for your own sub.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

Also, just as a note: I’ve not seen a single thread asking for sharding. I’ve seen a crapload of threads asking for NO sharding, but not a single one asking for sharding. I have seen some posts in said threads defending it – hell, I’ve defended it myself – but I have never started, nor seen someone start, a thread that is asking for it.

That’s gotta tell you something, at least. Not just about us but about the ramifications for Blizzard.

you clearly have not been paying attention then.
their has been threads where people have stated they want the role of sharding expanded.
anywhere between using it only in non contested zones
to using it in every zone
to using it for world events and aq
to using it permanently. everywhere.

I was under the impression those were troll posts and not to be taken seriously.

some are trolling obviously, but their are some who do legitimately want sharding.

Well, more power to them then. They’re not the majority. Not on these forums, at least. And I haven’t been to any other Classic WoW forums to check how often serious pro-sharding threads turn up there.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

if they shard 1 to 10 and only a brief window, i’ll live.
the moment they use sharding elsewhere for any reason at all, they will start bleeding subs.

You can only speak for your own sub.

well considering the number of people who have literally said the same thing as i have…

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

if they shard 1 to 10 and only a brief window, i’ll live.
the moment they use sharding elsewhere for any reason at all, they will start bleeding subs.

You can only speak for your own sub.

well considering the number of people who have literally said the same thing as i have…

They’re probably not going to quit anyway, tbh.

[Priapis-proudmoore (Priapis)]

I was under the impression those were troll posts and not to be taken seriously.

The same could be said for a lot of the anti-sharding threads as they’re constantly being posted by lowbie alts.
The only thing that all the anti-sharding threads tells me is the same thing ghostcrawler mentioned long ago. That a lot of the stuff on the forums are vocal minorities trying to sway things their own way.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

if they shard 1 to 10 and only a brief window, i’ll live.
the moment they use sharding elsewhere for any reason at all, they will start bleeding subs.

You can only speak for your own sub.

well considering the number of people who have literally said the same thing as i have…

They’re probably not going to quit anyway, tbh.

if even 1 in 5 quit blizzard is going to take a huge hit.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

This forum is a tiny, tiny representation of the Classic playerbase. Reddit has a completely different tone, you should spend some time on there and see the difference.