Read my Lips, NO SHARDING

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Because they said they would and Classic is a far simpler game.

classic is also being rebuilt off the modern tech, which would definitely make it not as simple as vanilla.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

I didn’t say it was as simple as Vanilla, I said Classic is a far simpler game.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

accusations of what? that they wouldn’t use sharding in classic? i’ve provided this evidence for you before galdor.

https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

I didn’t say it was as simple as Vanilla, I said Classic is a far simpler game.

and yet if retail needs sharding during normal day to day operations, what makes you think classic wouldn’t need sharding during say…world events, and say, AQ launch?

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

You’re paranoid and you don’t trust Blizzard. You should just find another game to play.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

You’re paranoid and you don’t trust Blizzard. You should just find another game to play.

can you give me exactly one reason i should trust blizzard when it comes to sharding? and can you give me exactly one reason i shouldn’t be paranoid about sharding?
can you answer the question instead of just calling me paranoid and mistrustful?

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

maybe if blizzard was more honest and forthright about sharding in general their wouldn’t be a problem.
remember the story of the boy who cried wolf? that is blizzard when it comes to sharding.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

by the way. you still haven’t answered my question earlier

if retail needs sharding during normal day to day operations, what makes you think classic wouldn’t need sharding during say…world events, and say, AQ launch?

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

okay but their feelings was initially no sharding in classic
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
now it’s sharding during launch window.
and yet modern tech, according to galdor, needs sharding during normal day to day operations in retail.
so what makes you think blizzard isn’t going to need sharding for world events and AQ? something iirc you actually think blizzard should do. despite the fact that blizzard has stated only sharding during launch and starting zones.

so tell me. why should i trust them?

[Xaelyrion-emerald-dream]

you say this but they also say they only shard rp realms as needed and then i find it on during normal day to day stuff.

I honestly share this fear with you that Blizzard will keep it in after the launch period. In particular the Gates and World Bosses. I understand there will only be one boss up per realm, but will you be able to see the other raid groups that show up? I worry about that.

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

okay but their feelings was initially no sharding in classic
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
now it’s sharding during launch window.
and yet modern tech, according to galdor, needs sharding during normal day to day operations in retail.
so what makes you think blizzard isn’t going to need sharding for world events and AQ? something iirc you actually think blizzard should do. despite the fact that blizzard has stated only sharding during launch and starting zones.

so tell me. why should i trust them?

Because they have actively said they know how antithetical it is to Classic and that it’s only meant to be a sort of emergency thing. They’re still exploring other options themselves.

If you’d actually pay attention, you’d know this.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

okay but their feelings was initially no sharding in classic
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
now it’s sharding during launch window.
and yet modern tech, according to galdor, needs sharding during normal day to day operations in retail.
so what makes you think blizzard isn’t going to need sharding for world events and AQ? something iirc you actually think blizzard should do. despite the fact that blizzard has stated only sharding during launch and starting zones.

so tell me. why should i trust them?

Because they have actively said they know how antithetical it is to Classic and that it’s only meant to be a sort of emergency thing. They’re still exploring other options themselves.

If you’d actually pay attention, you’d know this.

yes i know they have said this.
my point is that their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.
refer to the link provided.
we have since moved those goal posts to using sharding at launch to keep things stable.
so whats to prevent blizzard from moving the goal posts again in the name of stability?

they don’t exactly have a trustworthy track record with sharding.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

my point is that their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.

You should read that interview again.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

my point is that their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.

You should read that interview again.

i did.

Brack says they’re committed to recreating an authentic Vanilla World of Warcraft experience. “One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want.”

oh look.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Do you know what a tenet is?

[Laeric-wyrmrest-accord]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

okay but their feelings was initially no sharding in classic
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
now it’s sharding during launch window.
and yet modern tech, according to galdor, needs sharding during normal day to day operations in retail.
so what makes you think blizzard isn’t going to need sharding for world events and AQ? something iirc you actually think blizzard should do. despite the fact that blizzard has stated only sharding during launch and starting zones.

so tell me. why should i trust them?

Because they have actively said they know how antithetical it is to Classic and that it’s only meant to be a sort of emergency thing. They’re still exploring other options themselves.

If you’d actually pay attention, you’d know this.

yes i know they have said this.
my point is that their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.
refer to the link provided.
we have since moved those goal posts to using sharding at launch to keep things stable.
so whats to prevent blizzard from moving the goal posts again in the name of stability?

they don’t exactly have a trustworthy track record with sharding.

They haven’t gone and said they want it in. In fact, they’ve said the opposite. Plus, the biggest mouthpiece for Classic has been Bridenbecker, not the lawyer (Ion). I think we can trust that he wants it just as little as we do.

As for moving the goalposts? It really, REALLY depends how many people we get playing. I highly doubt Classic will have nearly as many realms as BFA, and I also highly doubt they’ll start adding more to what is essentially just a niche side project with no real expectation of profit.

“No expectation of profit” basically means “we don’t expect a lot of people to be playing this at all.” Sharding is on the table just in case they’re wrong.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

Do you know what a tenet is?

belief or principle. yes i do. so one of the principles of classic design is no sharding.

and yet we’ve already moved that goal post.

[Matcauthon-steamwheedle-cartel (Matcauthon)]

One reason? Because you don’t gain anything but not trusting them. You’re here, making 50 posts a day, most of them complaints about Blizzard and your perception that they’re constantly lying.

You need a better hobby.

I can kind of relate to how she’s feeling. Back in WoD I was the guy predicting that “no flight at launch” would mean “no flight ever again” because of some comments Blizzard had made about their opinion on flight. People called me crazy and paranoid… and then I turned out to be right.

Of course, Blizzard walked that announcement back and instituted Pathfinder after the inevitable forum meltdown, but I was still right.

The reason I’m not distrusting Blizz on this is because they’ve made their feelings about sharding in Classic pretty clear. And I trust Bridenbecker far more than I trust Hazzicostas.

okay but their feelings was initially no sharding in classic
https://www.pcgamer.com/this-is-how-blizzard-plans-to-finally-bring-back-vanilla-wow-servers/
now it’s sharding during launch window.
and yet modern tech, according to galdor, needs sharding during normal day to day operations in retail.
so what makes you think blizzard isn’t going to need sharding for world events and AQ? something iirc you actually think blizzard should do. despite the fact that blizzard has stated only sharding during launch and starting zones.

so tell me. why should i trust them?

Because they have actively said they know how antithetical it is to Classic and that it’s only meant to be a sort of emergency thing. They’re still exploring other options themselves.

If you’d actually pay attention, you’d know this.

yes i know they have said this.
my point is that their initial statement, was no sharding period. end of discussion.
refer to the link provided.
we have since moved those goal posts to using sharding at launch to keep things stable.
so whats to prevent blizzard from moving the goal posts again in the name of stability?

they don’t exactly have a trustworthy track record with sharding.

They haven’t gone and said they want it in. In fact, they’ve said the opposite. Plus, the biggest mouthpiece for Classic has been Bridenbecker, not the lawyer (Ion). I think we can trust that he wants it just as little as we do.

As for moving the goalposts? It really, REALLY depends how many people we get playing. I highly doubt Classic will have nearly as many realms as BFA, and I also highly doubt they’ll start adding more to what is essentially just a niche side project with no real expectation of profit.

“No expectation of profit” basically means “we don’t expect a lot of people to be playing this at all.” Sharding is on the table just in case they’re wrong.

and my point still remains. they already moved the goal posts once, in the name of stability.