Yea I’ve tried to make this point on other discussions. I think the way blizzard should balance healers is to give them more tools to close out games. Give healers more damage and reward agressive globals more. More healing is just bad and promotes damp.
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While I agree with the overall sentiment of your post how do you then balance things like disc in which did absurd damage with schism in I believe Notorious ssn (?) and things degenerating to healers then becoming dps
I didn’t play notorious season really so i don’t remember how much damage they did.
Obviously things can’t get too silly but I believe the worst thing that can happen to healers is when their offensive globals become a waste. This is the direction it seems blizzard is pushing hpals (mainly due to their damage causing issues in pve).
This philosophy lines up with why i hate the current version of r druids so much. The class has such an interesting set of cc tools yet the optimal way to play it is just to go bear form and run into a wall. It’s not fun or interesting for anyone involved.
Maybe I am biased as a healer but i believe a good healer should be making meaningful contributions to ending the game, either through cc damage or ideally both. A healer afking at max range for 12 minutes straight should never be optimal play.
Despite hpriests being extremely strong I believe their design is what blizz should strive for with healers. Strong tools to end the game with clear weaknesses.
Druids have strong tools to end games but are rewarded for not using them that is a problem.
Then why don’t all professional sports teams have an even win/loss? This isn’t AI controlling these characters.
Are you sure he’s talking about rdru/ret/war as a comp or ret specifically (“his”)? If he’s not talking about the comp, then why would it make sense to say they’re 8-0 specifically because of an rdruid?
I’m sure they still do from time to time. It seems that you are picking somewhat of an outlier to talk about
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I mean hybrid heals have already degenerated like that. Really not that uncommon to see an enh shammy or feral druid regularly do 50-60% of their healers healing. smend leggo is another huge offender.
if u want games to end faster tone down hybrid healing, or buff healer damage.
Plus you cant stack multiple healers, so like the metajust cant degenerate to a double or triple healer meta.
Going back in my screenshots Valent would do usually only 200k less damage than me when I had full wings uptime
30000% agree here
Yeah I agree, game is much better when everyone is playing to win not playing to live.
Ya I mean into rmp I tend to out heal my healer (although I tend to be relatively Bm about it, just to razz my healer, but it’s fairly degen gameplay, unsure if it’s rmp thing or hybrid thing in that case.)
Would prefer buffing healer damage a bit. Like for example outside of ashen hallow (a good example of healer doing too much damage) the nerfs hpalla is getting shouldn’t go in for pvp
But I wouldn’t mind some toning down of hybrid healing, toned down burst and buffed sustain
A lot of the problem has just been poor tuning on blizzards part. Like an enh shammy bombing a 28k heal singlehandedly thwarting an entire go is just as toxic if not more than a hpal throwing a 20k hammer of wrath during ashen hollow.
Lotta modifiers in the game nowadays. Seems to be to many for blizzard to handle in regards to balance.
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Yeh man totally agree. Tbh I think the biggest issue is just modifier/cd stacking making otherwise pretty acceptable things very absurd
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Resto druid population (or lack there of even when the spec pumps) has a lot to do with how damn unappealing everything surrounding that spec is. Lack of human like race options, leather sets that are straight up nasty to look at and most people are turned off by the idea of having to rely on hots and deal with forms / extra bars. (No disrespect here my main is a resto druid).
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so optics hurts the spec?
yeah I agree although the Tower Bear form and the Tower Cat form is really nice in my not so humble opinion
I’d say optics and mechanics. A lot of players don’t want to play a tauren and work towards some gray or brown blob set that looks like 2021 barrens quest reward.
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just like i told you
representation means nothing
you not seeing 40,000 gotheelsx tier rdruid players spamming 2k games doesn’t mean rdruid isn’t completely overtuned and slowly trending upwards because the vast majority of the overall community adapts to the upper echelon of visible games which happens a LOT slower than meta shifts do
here’s the representation curve you wanted to see !1!1
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I am also a degen that represents about 1/4 of the hpal games played xD on that list.
Trashes data came from this website btw
Also just noticed the link is named “druidsimps” very nicely done
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Imagine thinking correlation = causation 
Also if you click Vindi’s link it shows rdruid behind hpal/hpriest/disc for games played?
Not sure where you see that.
1287 rdruid> 936 hpriest> 812 hpal?
Like no flame. Can you explain what you mean?
You only know that because we told you lmfao
The bigger point was every time people try to use stats they don’t understand them and it could easily backfire on them if they observed them properly lol, but that’s also why I try to make sure people avoid using them so that it’s still possible to respect them
Regardless at this point I think you’re confident in knowing you’re wrong but you’re going to try to pull more of the trolling angle to make yourself feel better
When I open your link and sort for 3v3, in the past week it shows for me
Hpal 738 39.42%
Disc 570 30.45%
Hpriest 226 12.07%
Rdruid 210 11.22%
Rsham 128 6.84%
Maybe I’m looking in the wrong place idk
I’ve heard the ice cream vs. crime analogy enough times to understand this myself lol trust me
Ya no you don’t buddy, like I said you’re just trying to run on the trolling angle after you desperately were blindly using representation as your defense in your argument
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? I haven’t commented on this post in over 12 days. What’re you talking about lmao
I think the guy above was looking at NA and you are looking at EU. Spec representation changes so much EU vs NA, but this seems to be mainly due to low data count causing volatility. The data are really volatile since April. Really hard to draw any solid conclusion from these data, except that warrior is zugzug.