RDF Wasn't The Problem, Mythic Was (And Is)

I don’t recall there being a problem during the original Wrath. I remember the problem arising in MoP when they bungled the launch of Mythic dungeons and BROKE RDF in the process.

I ran dozens of pug dungeons in Wrath and had a ball doing it. I ran dozens of pug dungeons in MoP and had a ball…until they created Mythic. Why? Because it created a split in the player base, giving the best players an “out” from leading pugs and set up the prostitution ring that Mythic became.

Why do y’all love pimping yourselves in chat to get a group? Where is the fun in that? Where is the immersion? It’s just an elitist parade ground and painful experience for those of us who just want to dive in, be adaptive to whatever the configuration we are confronted with and get the job done.

Mythic breeds whiners and workaholics, creating actually MORE toxicity in the community.

I looked forward to the proposed change in MoP when it arrived…and rarely raided or ran dungeons again. It was NOT the RFD that did that.

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Could not agree more!

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I assume you are talking challenge modes in MoP? Fairly certain Mythic dungeons were 2 expansions after that.

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This is the truth. You articulated it perfectly.

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Challenge modes were simply the seed that blossomed into Mythic dungeons.

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As much as I want the convenience of hitting a button and being teleported into a dungeon as I quest. One of the few problems I can see and have seen is first, bad manners. When it’s that easy to get into a group, people are less likely to care if the group is unable to finish, or be on their best behavior versus a group that has to form up by communicating and 2 of the 5 having to fly to the stone and summon. The second issue I see is that while some quality of life stuff are nice to have, there will always be something more that people will want to make the game even more convenient. Retail is the culmination of giving the casuals what they want resulting into what the game is today.

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I never raided during the 2 difficulty era but I like the seperation between Easy, Hard but not time consuming and absolute sweat fest

Im not skilled enough or have the time to sweat on mythic but heroic is still challenging enough to keep me satisfied.

I totally hear you about “bad manners” because it’s absolutely a problem but it’s not a viable argument to be anti-RFD because there is PLENTY of bad manners, ninja looting and griefing that happens in LFG well. The only time you’ll be immune to these sorts of things is by playing completely solo and never grouping with other humans at all, or restricted to your personal friends & guild.

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For me it is a viable argument. With addon’s like Bulletin board, I have no problem finding groups or forming groups. And sure it can take a few minutes getting to the stone If I have to summon but that doesn’t bother me enough because it keeps it immersive. The less immersive the game the harder it is for me to keep playing it. Instantly being ported into a dungeon and back to where you were questing is convenient but not immersive. And sure LFG has its bad apples but the argument wasn’t whether they had it or not. My argument is RFD will have more of it compared to LFG.

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See, I find LFG and BB to be completely less immersive because it deters many people from even wanting or bothering to run dungeons in the first place unless they absolutely HAVE to for a specific piece of loot or quest. If there are wipes or someone is AFK, people leave and very often don’t stick around to find a replacement. I literally haven’t pugged any dungeons in TBC since p1 because it’s such a waste of time. The only times I’ve set foot in dungeons since p1 was to help out guildies and to complete my initial MGT quests on the island.

RFD is amazing at counter-acting poor behavior because you can vote to kick the bad seed, or just leave, then quickly find a replacement player or a new group.

If they add RFD and you don’t like it, simply don’t use it. LFG and BB will both still be there if you’d rather use those means of having your immersive experience.

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My experience is completely different. I had no issues finding or forming groups, and I’ve actually made friends along the way. Not saying what you said isn’t true. It certainly could be your perspective but it certainly isn’t a fact. To each their own but the classic way to find a group for a dungeon has worked and still does work. Retail has RFD along with a lot of other conveniences the dev’s caved in and gave to the players who wanted these changes and look at the state of it.

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Oh yeah, let’s not even compare Wrath RDF to Retail RDF. Retail as a whole is garbage imo so we’re definitely on the same page there LOL.

Just remember that RDF in OG Wrath was restricted to battlegroups and that’s what most of us who are pro-Wrath Classic-RDF are hoping for again. It still wouldn’t be completely awful if Wrath Classic RDF was actually cross-server because there are so many LESS realms in Classic than on Retail.

We had RDF in Wrath for 48% of the expansion so at the very least I hope they add it midway to make alt leveling easier and badge farming more convenient.

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i agree with this statement… i dunno about the rest of yall but the mythic dungeons created a hamster wheel of endless u need to be on to get the best gear… not only that u have to repeatedly run ur mythic dungeon to get the bis gear item your looking for at the highest lvl… all the while fighting thru the bad groups … or elitest that leaves in the middle because this group sucks… mythic dungeons brought a toxic expectation to wow that i hadnt seen before… even amongst friend groups… its crazy

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The thing about retail RDF is that it’s only really relevant for leveling dungeons which IMO is good because it’s always harder to find groups for them. Good luck finding runs for leveling dungeons in TBCC in a timely fashion.

The vast, vast majority of retails dungeon runs involve groups forming in the LFG (bulliten board) and 2 people go to the dungeon entrance and summon the rest of the group.

Usually while the group is filling you and any other members can see who is applying and collectively decide who to invite. IMO it’s a more social system than spamming trade chat with “LF1M TANK” while being drowned out by the other 500 people spamming the same thing.

I can’t see why people would want it to be harder to form groups / find people to run dungeons with.

Mythic exacerbated an issue RDF started. You really don’t remember that the pugs in wotlk turned into afk fests or having people abandon group as KEY roles forcing you to sit idle in a dungeon while the role fills? RDF allowed people to not play the game while still feeling achievement and that’s the problem with ToC/ICC and every expansion since. Wow became more about retaining as many subs as possible as a replacement for dedicated players.

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I remember it happening, but not with any kind of frequency where I considered it a problem.

Also. Everything you said is opinion. An opinion I strongly disagree with. We obviously had different RDF experiences. Mine were positive, you’re apparently were not.

Maybe it’s you? Maybe people don’t like playing with you and decided pulling the ethernet cable was a better option that staying in a group with you. You seem so angry.

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LOL “umadbro” again? Keep trying, it’ll be effective one of these times I promise.

Congratulations on only having phenomenal experiences. I played about 70 hours a week at the time and saw a whole range of the experience. It only got worse as time progressed which shows its direction.

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I really think that it’s you my angry friend. I think people really don’t like playing with you. Judging by your super aggressive angry posts I figure you’re mildly abrasive to play with.

Meditation will help.

LOL! Made my day.

That’s wonderful. You deserve to be happy.

Peace be with you. I hope you find what you’re looking for here on the wow forums.