People will be incentivised to roll and level alt’s, the game will die quickly without people out questing / queuing RDF and bringing new characters to end game.
People who play at non peak hours wont have to miss out on dungeons due to nobody in LFG
Obscure dungeons that people like to avoid will be able to be run and enjoyed.
People wont have to deal with sweaty gatekeeping neckbeards who like to power trip in a game because for whatever reason it makes them feel good and better than others. The only reason to deal with said sweats will be if you are a solo type player and want to raid. A lot of people wont raid mostly to avoid these types of confrontations. (This is why LFR was added the next expansion and the sweaty neckbeards HATED it)
Overall its good for the game AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY IN WRATH!
I’m concerned at the number of people that will just plain out bail from Wrath classic due to no RDF. I would like to see Wrath classic live as long as possible and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that adding RDF sooner rather than later will be a big contributor towards that long life.
People will also be incentivised to rushing content, ninja looting, not having to care about social interactions, gearing up faster (which will have as a consequence not having anything to do during end-game faster), fostering toxicity and elitism.
This has incentivised me to reach out to those that are online, run with them, add them to my contacts list and enjoy that content others are missing out
Debatable; there are dungeons that are more disliked than others, and I remember it took me longer to get into those back in the day.
But people will have to put up with other types of behavior. People that didn’t respect instructions, that didn’t communicate, that skipped bosses, that ninja looted with no consequences, etc. It also led to other problems, and people would get away with it. Besides, not everyone is like that: I wouldn’t base a solution that affects a whole community just because of a misbehaving minority.
I remember a few times I got kicked out from pugs without any explanation, or being insulted for still being in greens. You aren’t addressing the new problems it generated.
It was introduced -as others have corrected me- midway the expansion, late content-wise. It wasn’t there during its release.
I would be concerned about those that would bail if RDF were to be introduced, I think there’s a bigger picture, if you are that much concerned about the overall community.
If we want to be honest with ourselves, no game mechanics have divided a community as much as RDF; developers have addressed it by saying that some are passionate about having it… and others are equally passionate about not having it. It wasn’t an easy decision. They know how it went down, they don’t know what to do about it today; so they’ve decided to go back to the era where there wasn’t RDF.
And speaking of long life, look at the numbers of subscribers across time: it began to decline after WotLK. In the long run, we can’t say it was an improvement.
People have said that it was praised when it was first introduced, but they have also explained how it changed the WoW experience for good!
Funny enough it seem this is what all those Anti-RDF people want, to them people like me who want RDF are sub-human none important and worthless creatures and I won’t be miss once I quit which will be once my sub run out.
All my friends already left because we couldn’t run dungeons since we couldn’t find groups while leveling, I’m the only one left and I just don’t feel like playing anymore so sucks to suck I guess.
Toxicity and Elitism have been a part of the game and always be a part of the game since day 1 of classic, and such great “social interactions”…
LF TANK
inv
Hey guys crickets
Ill go as fast as your mana can handle crickets
~end of dungeon~ gg
“leaves party” “leaves party” “leaves party”…
Amazing social interaction. Not everyone (probably most people) Don’t care about making new friends running a dungeon. We are there to play the game, clear the dungeon, get loot and be done.
Same reason as above. Since classic has released, i have added a few people to my friends list and i go through once every few months and delete most of them because they are just there. No talking, no interaction, just someone who was like “HEY LETS BE FRIENDS” then its nothing more. I have only had 1 continue to engage because they thought i was a good tank and could actually speak english (which by the way is not true of about 50%+ of people i randomly join dungeon groups with. It’s fun when the group leader has no idea how to communicate with you isn’t it?)
If people don’t want to use it they don’t have to. There’s plenty of aspects of the game that are IN the game that people don’t take part in/use, why does this have to be any different. Keep new group finder in and add RFD, you don’t have to use it.
It was a great addition for some and a terrible one for others. But if you don’t like it then don’t use it if they ever put it in, problem solved. Stick to your group finder for those amazing social interactions
There was maybe 2-3 people in queue in the LFG tool at any time for multiple dungeons we wanted to do while leveling not a single heal could be found even when spamming LFG channels or Trade chat, we could have done the early dungeons without heal but I guess we didn’t though about that.
So we lost friends along the way while leveling until we reach WOTLK zone and same issue no heal no matter how much we tried to find one so another friend left leaving only me and one friend and he recently left too since we couldn’t find dungeons for Hall of Stone, Gundrak or Violet Hold after 2 days of trying.
I keep seeing people saying they can find groups in 2 minutes and I’m confuse about it maybe they just play on mega server or full/high pop servers? I have no idea, but it doesn’t matter anymore really since I’m over it.
Since many people pointed it out I won’t be miss, just one random tank off the LFG queue, nobody will notice it. lol
I’ve been leveling in Outland, I haven’t seen a single person talk in zone chat once, from Hellfire to Nagrand. I think I seen one time someone asked in LFG for help on a quest. But that’s amazing social interaction I guess.
Toxicity and elitisim are in any online game or online form of content either way. It’s anonymous. Bums are ballers on the internet.
People are rushing content to raid, people are rushing raid to complain on the forums , without RDF.
Every point you made, is in the game regardless of RDF.
Could you make an actual point on how RDF is a detriment to the WoW society.
people who say there never get any chatting done in dungeons may just not be great at starting conversation not every dungeon i do has good conversation but I’ve made a few friends so far and had some fun times chatting
when I play retail I got into every RDF and say “Hello” and maybe 1 times out of 10 someone will say hi back. That’s all I ever here in retail RDF until someone gets toxic and vile about a hunter accidently pulling something and demands we vote to kick them
Comparing the two I’ve already had more fun groups in WOTLK then I’ve had on Retail in many years.
The solution can’t be by any means simple, for starters, one side will be more displeased than the other no matter what you do; there isn’t a middle ground here and compromises can’t be made. People on other threads have mentioned how human behavior is at work here -it isn’t bad, it isn’t good, it is what it is- and how something ‘convenient’ branched out and evolved into an undefinable situation.
People aren’t taking into consideration that WoW, how it used to be, made 11 million subscribe to the game; then there was WotLK, and at some point in the middle, changes were dropped, the game became easier, more accessible, less aggresive to the new player, etc.; after that, the big decline started, and it was faster than the rise. Can we blame RDF entirely to that decline? Absolutely, we can’t; but that doesn’t address the fact that (literally) millions of people enjoyed the game without it, and that it is now creating this major argument.
The fact that I am voicing my opinion and that we are discussing about it, should tell you how important you are to the community, and, on a personal level, to me; you aren’t indifferent, that’s for sure.
Did you come up with a solution? One example, I’m leveling a paladin and a druid along my main, because they can both heal and tank once they hit level 40.
Another example, I met this lovely lady (and I won’t disclose anything else about her) that is willing to let everyone in the guild that she has multiple alts in case anyone needs help with anything, dungeons included.
Another thing RDF brought to players is a huge flexibility.
With RDF I can do heroic daily when I feel like to and still can do it with my friends when they want, instead of waiting for them to get on to make sure I won’t be locked out.
not every dungeon i do has good conversation but I’ve made a few friends so far and had some fun times chatting