RDF isn't coming to WotLK

That’s a plausible theory you got there but tell me how you know there’s a small army of people willing to wait hours to do a dungeon, how the people who are willing to wait hours on end to do dungeon are all going to queue up at the same time and all be in the correct roles for every single one of them to get into a dungeon when the role disparity is still going to be looming in the background? Someone isn’t getting in or getting to go in a timely manner. This is especially true for pre Wrath dungeons.

Since you know so much, tell me what the queues are going to be for DPS. Like, an actual number and not some excuse as to why you cant tell me.

Id cut that off at 70 and WoW players being end game focused isn’t a point in favor for needing RDF to do outdated or lowbie dungeons. End game is 80, SM Cathedral is not an end game dungeon.

You didnt address this part either: “tools like RDF actually make the game more single player since they no longer require being social in an MMO.”

Why do you dodge the actual meat of the RDF discussion? Like every time.

You’re missing the point. If you don’t have to socialize to get groups, you stop socializing to get them. The tool is more important than the people using the tool and that’s bad for the social fabric in what’s supposed to be a community driven game. That’s why LFD and LFR have been pin pointed as a problem in the years following retail WoWs collapse.

One of the main talking points for RDF is that no one socializes in dungeons anyway. That’s because of RDF in case you haven’t figured that out yet. Thats why Blizz said no RDF and what they meant when they thought it was counterproductive to being social. Laughingly, In RDF theory, RDF having killed off social interaction in dungeons means we can have RDF since its dead anyway.

You want RDF because you dont want to have to go back to having to talk to people to get groups. Blizzard wants the opposite, like get up to speed here.

There were 160 of them on during prime last night and they were doing group content. 160 people have the potential to run group content if they are a proper community since at the bare minimum, you only need 5. You dont build a proper community by shutting down communication and making the game responsible for it.

Thanks for the spreadsheet but maybe you want to touch on this point? “its the individual players effort and determination that produce outcomes, not huge populations with effortless conveniences.” No?

It doesn’t eliminate the potential or opportunity though. The claim was they lack the ability and people to form groups and that it was impossible for them. Turns out its possible.

Who is the liar here again? The person who said it was impossible for westfall horde to run dungeons or the person who personally witnessed them running dungeons? They had two leveling and two 80 dungeons and a raid going on during peak last night.

Get wrecked.

Why rob me of your better-than-game-developers knowledge of game design? I figured since you were so correct about everything above and beyond people actually in the industry you were prepping to make the next big MMO and I wouldn’t want to miss out on that.

These egg prices are nuts

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Prove it works. Yall never get around to that. Weird. You guys are big on promises and short on evidence. Be nice if these two things lined up every once in awhile.

I’d level a DK tank if rdf was in the game.

Ez debunk

Without it on the game I’m not leveling.

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It’s boasting that two dungeons groups were going on.

That’s where the bar is set.

Because i dont bother to have perfect spelling, grammar, and punctuation on a forum that requires none of that? Did just fine in english in high school, im not treating these forums like a school report where i am graded on those items sorry.

But again, attacking spelling because thats all you seem to have.

Me too! Wanna dungeon together when RDF comes in?

i’d level a warrior if RDF was in the game. i’d even learn to tank dungeon’s as a wrath warrior.

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We sure can.

That way you can also verify I wasn’t lying.

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Can I play the role of Redhead and have you guys carry me through dungeons? :thinking:

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Boasting? How about refuting the claim zero groups form there because its impossible.

Theyre also a low pop realm. Do they need to have 20 groups on the go to prove its not impossible to form a group there?

Yes.

I wouldn’t expect much out of him

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You still can’t dispute the fact that rdf increases dungeon participation.

That’s all that matters.

Both sides other stuff is all opinion biased fluff

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It’s actually arguing that two dungeon groups is a good thing. LOL.

Priceless.

Anyway, obviously if RDF was in the game there would be dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of groups doing dungeons.

Not 2.

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Not doing your work for you. I did mine, I’m not lazy, you can do yours.

Why would I dispute it? If every Wrath server had 10 dungeons running on it and you put all the servers together cross realm it would be 120. 120>10. Its effectively 1 giant server. If youre talking about one megaserver or one low pop server or 1 giant cross realm server there are still going to be people struggling to get dungeons.

oh yeah and Kevin Jordan was such a visionary? where is he at now? oh right not with Blizzard. further more if he knew so much more than the rest of us. do you think he ever saw us having a faction imbalance on retail. because thats what retail has had for a long time. they being forced to address this issue. but this is your king of anti-rdfing. he’s a legit moron. WoW didn’t need factions. most other mmos have been successful with out factions. oh and tying factions to pvp is ludicrous. you can do pvp with out factions other games has done it just fine.

I also forgot to put in you are also a Liar.

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I can’t continue to prove you wrong because you’re too stupid to understand things. Sorry it went over your head.

No you’re still not understanding just putting in the system means more people would now level.

You guys keep ignoring this

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