Making playing with other people easier, is pulling away from a social game? I think you have it backwards.
The game is solo atm, rdf helps people level together
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look another pillar of classic development yet look at how well that is treating the dungeon activities. its not gonna be any better than it is now once we are a month into Ulduar. its gonna go right back into the crapper. and when people do go ahead jump into a dungeon they are gonna take the highest ilvled person or someone from their guild to knock that crap out ASAP. they aren’t gonna fiddle F*** around. they ain’t gonna be doing world tours they ain’t gonna be doing anything more than the bare minimum and we’ll be lucky if some of those players do it on more than 1 toon.
the RDF system is perfectly fine for what it is. it’s not game breaking or damaging to the game as people think it is.
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The reason why this happened is likely a complex topic, but it’s pretty well figured that RDF was a major contributor to the massive decline in the social aspect of the game.
Some people aren’t concerned by this, but thankfully the Classic devs are aware of the issue and have taken a stance against it.
I’m just trying to address the real topic of making dungeons more accessible to people and trying to help people still hammering on about RDF save their breath. RDF isn’t happening.
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is it possible that when they ran this poll they ran it once and maybe just maybe they are out of touch for the xpac that we are playing in now? is it at all possible that some of these “pillars” need to be adjusted and changed? or are you gonna be one of the blizzard stooges who would go up onto stage and say you think you want this, but you really don’t? or do you not have phones? because at this point when my hunter is lvl 80 i’ma skip dungeons and just get naxx 10 gear. no reason to painfully get a dungeon group or even the thought of a world tour or heroic +. i think its time to rethink and reevaluate the room we are in. you may be fine with people not playing dungeons. but the lack of dungeon play is rather disappointing.
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I know it seems like RDF isn’t an issue, I really do understand. How could something so small cause so much of an issue, but it’s really quite complicated.
And I could get into explaining why, but it deals with some meta level social stuff I don’t like to talk about, it gets weird. You know, talking to someone about the nature of talking to someone, it’s just weird.
What I can say is that we, that Classic community as a whole, values social mechanics and keeping the community tied together. And it’s prettttty well figured that RDF is what led largely(though there were some other contributing factors) to the degradation of retails community and social aspect.
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i have to say this because the OP is clueless. Delimicus is right. and further more ignoring the players does not help anything.
Because you are.
no it has not been. the fact you say its been talked about yet there are low pop servers where players are struggling to get groups going during peak times. never mind if they are on a low pop server in the middle of the night or heaven forbid the west coast Alaska or Hawaii.
so because it was hammered out back in Vanilla means the discussion to have it introduced in the expansion that it was legitimately introduced in shouldn’t happen, or even be included in? you’re stifling people’s opinion and dismissing peoples opinions. yet you claimed we aren’t dismissing your opinion but in the same breath say oh but its been settled. has it though?
you think its miniscule but i think you’re actually sipping on some delusional tea by saying this. there are now content creators suggesting the very thing to be added into the game with people saying yeah it doesn’t see like such a bad thing to do. I think at this point when you say its been settled back in 2017 and we aren’t dismissing you, well i think you are actually arguing in bad faith and being incredibly disingenuous to the people that have a differing of an opinion.
this person is not wrong. when i’m on the game the only time i do a dungeon is if a friend or guildie asks for help with a dungeon. when i’m on its raiding or questing. i do quests on my sub 80 toons up to the quests that lead into the dungeons when the zone is complete i abandon those dungeons and move to a new zone. on this dk at most i do is dailies. this game has become the epitome of a single player mmo because of the poor state of dungeon activities are in. the satchels for tanks and healers aren’t enough to entice them into continue in this activity.
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This is when I say that both sides can be disingenuous. There’s no way we can tell who the majority is; we don’t have the data. It isn’t clear if it should or not be in the game. Even though I support the idea of not having RDF, we can’t simply ignore those that feel negatively about that particular decision.
And it is ironic -to say the least- how you mention that it is pointless, yet, you open a new thread to talk about it.
For better or worse, this isn’t a democracy.
There was another poll on reddit with over 36k participants and more than 90% (iirc) were against it. Those polls are far from being reliable.
This has been explained I don’t know how many times, it wouldn’t be optional, the feature is too convenient for people not to use it. Pro-RDF keep being dismissive about it.
Even back in December 2009, it was predicted, even Mike Morhaime suggested that that could’ve been the reason as to why many people stopped playing WoW. The idea of WoW being a solo-experience may be the result of having RDF longer than not. RDF removes the incentive to engage in social interaction with other people. Sure, it puts people together, you can see that in any subway or bus, but just because you put them together they won’t immidiately have social interactions.
No, it isn’t, that’s just a theory that no one has been able to prove; that could be the case, but we don’t have the data to make an objective analysis.
I agree with all of this, but I would add that it’s been explained ad nauseam over the past months, but pro-RDF dismiss these arguments. To this point, the discussion is stale.
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Anything social happens once the group is formed. If putting a group together manually is peak specialization for you then idk what to tell you, BUT nearly every other game ever made has automated group forming
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We aren’t talking about other games, but if you want to follow that route, I made more friends in PSO2 that doesn’t have a match-making system (mms) than in Tower of Fantasy. Now that I think about it, I’ve made more friends in games without mms than in those that do.
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I dont even know what either of those games are, but the vast majority of humans strongly disagree with you
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I think I’ll believe social sciences more. The vast majority of humans don’t even play videogames, to begin with.
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but it is the issue. its not in the game. the dungeon activity is literally on life support at this point and its gonna remain on life support heading into ulduar. do you hate people running dungeons? because thats all i read from anti-rdfers at this point.
if you cannot explain your “meta logic” then it tells me you argument is strong enough to argue and is a relatively weak argument and shouldn’t even be remotely brought up.
your social mechanics? really thats what you value? where are you getting these? do you think you’re getting these from dungeons? if thats the case i think again you’re arguing in bad faith. you’re not making life long friends from doing a dungeon. ya know where most of my best friends have come from? they weren’t dungeons they were the guilds i joined. i’ve made 1 life long friend from dungeons since i’ve started this game all the way back around jan 10th 2010. oh look at that it’ll be my 13th anniversary in less than 5 hours. this idea of social mechanics with dungeons are dead. they’re now /w ilvl class spec role TY GG Ty for the inv have a good day. thats about the most complicated conversation you see now. there are a few chatty kathys in dungeons but when i’m clearing a dungeon i want it dead as fast as possible to move on with my day. i don’t care about their cat pealing out on their desk knocking over their paperwork. i don’t care that they are putting a child down for a nap or that their favorite drink is Arizona Rickey Sparkling Cherry Lime. i know that makes me sound anti-social. but my time is precious through out the day. the more i devote to being in a dumb dungeon the more time i begin to resent and hope i never see that person. and i don’t want to resent someone because resenting someone takes energy.
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You shouldn’t even be allowed to play classic after making such a stupid post…
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I look forward to seeing in a weeks time how your post will still have a like count in the single digits whereas posts in threads being for RDF being added to Classic having like counts in double digits within the hour and triple digits in a week.
Just goes to show how little you anti rdf folk know about what the community wants.
Cause honestly, you don’t lose a thing by having RDF added, whereas us pro RDF people lose the most by not having it in game.
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Trash tier rant. You make pro-RDF people look bad.
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In an ideal world servers would be thriving and people would be running dungeons all the time, and everything would be great but that is not reality. Rdf provides a solution to this problem.
I swear you anti rdf people would rather see the world burn then concede that you might be wrong.
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It is well-known that people are more likely to talk about a negative experience than about a positive one, they have a deeper impact in us; what would people talk more about, the time they lost $100 or when they made them? That’s why you’ll see likes in double digits on pro-RDF posts.
Pro-RDF contradict themselves when they talk about the community, because it’s been proven that socialization is beneficial to all the participants. RDF removes that incentive, it’s been discussed countless times by now.
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Have you watched the interview with Mike Morhaime yet?
That doesn’t mean anything lol.
That was the DEVELOPERS vision of the game.
They didn’t even do an official poll.
I love how you take literally the most random crap and suddenly make it out like any poll would have been 99% against rdf.
There was an incredibly loud minority… but most players wanted rdf. You’re just dumb if you disagree.
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While I’m fine with blizzard not adding it for their stated reasons. I’d much rather it was in the game and think it’s more likely a larger portion of the players agree with that. But like I said I’m fine with them doing this for a select group of gamers that have wanted this just don’t be disingenuous and imply that the majority of the players wanted this.
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