“Repeated claims of RDF making the game more social”
LMAO.
Literally all social “science”, and game evidence, prove categorically people don’t give 2 craps about engaging socially when they have disposable people 24/7.
Just stop, this lie is starting to smell already.
So just like it is now ?
You can lie all you want, it does not make your tall tale true !
So just like it is now ?
After spoon feeding egotistical kiddos like you with disposable human beings for a decade? Yes
And even then, you can feel how much better the classic community is than retail.
Straight into attacks, not toxic at all. People love grouping with you, I am sure of it.
What community ?
please, feel free to add your input, im welcoming lists from both sides to be discussed fairly and in depth, hopefully without insults and/or attacking people. im asking both sides to be civil.
Nothing is more toxic than people like you that try to deflect everything by calling other toxics as they are described as they are.
You are, an egotistical spoon feed kiddo. Me stating a truth is not toxic. You lying to deny the truth is toxic.
Get real.
What community?
The one that is constantly socializing to find groups and friends right now.
Cry harder please, toxic entitled kid who thinks no one can tell you anything.
I get it. I was just posting my pros and cons as suggested by OP. But it’s not my job to convince you RDF shouldn’t be in the game, since it isn’t. It’s probably your job to make a better case for it to be in the game and to convince us.
/Shrug.
I’m good with the status quo.
Yup, you aren’t toxic at all. It is not you and people like you that make people dislike social activities in game. Nope !
What you call truth is your opinion, nothing more. Anyone who disagrees with you is insulted and somehow you do not see yourself as the problem, the toxic person thinks he is the good guy.
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While calling me egotistical, your behavior betrays you as being the egotistical one.
im not sure the population on your server but on maladath this is NOT the case, very few folks in LFG tool other than the 3 hour window starting at 7pm est. and very few running the older content.
no, im asking for an efficient way of misicng up questing and dungeon running that is a proven success in my experience.
you can keep repeating the same statement and i can respect your opinion, but its is wrong on every level in my experience. but maybe its a pvp thing and i dont spend alot of my game time pvping.
maybe for you, not so for alot of players i know, we prefer to talk IN the run not spend two hours talking for a 15 minute run, and most communication is done through discord anyway.
no and no, i think you may be confusing lfr with rdf but im not sure.
nope, still not credible from my experiences, this one here about guild runs just means a more efficient use of our time, still having to run the dungeons, not sure why you insist that everyone needs to run to a dungeon or use a flight point makes it more validating?
i feel the need to apologize to you as someone apparently treated you like garbage and i feel for you, however, i dont know anyone that takes that view through rdf.
no sir, again, just stating things from my perspective. i think theres selfishness on both sides but telling you why i think rdf is a good thing based on my experience isnt promoting selfishness.
ahh, but we are lifting them, at least my crew are, we are teaching them the tactics, we are showing them how tanks and healers can communicate with dps without being insulting, shouting, or trying to put them down for doing something wrong.
whats your point, i met alot of folks in the chat channel because our guild would make alliances with other guilds to run the bigger raids, plug a few holes for them, get needed reinforcements when we were short, new members in both guilds running together in cross guild 5 mans… it was very social and met alot of folks on our home server, even enlarged our server by some folks from other servers transfering in to join our guild. not sure how thats a bad thing?
ONLY if you have the mindset folks are disposable. and what about the lfg tool… allowing players to choose those that make the run fastest and easiest? thats not a challenge and proves nothing about providing a higher skill level, its more social and more of a challenge to meet random folks and adapt to the group composition to beat the dungeons.
once again, repeating the same line doesnt make your response valid, and its about players mindset, we dont treat anyone as disposable. that i think would be on you and your mindset or what someone has done to you.
i would disagree again and repeat that me and mine dont treat folks like that. if they are toxic we push them out with a kick, we dont care about skill level, for us its attitude, skills can be taught.
never failed to get a run in rdf because it enlarged the player pool by being crossrealm giving access to tanks and healers from other realms.
as an example… realm 1 has a few tanks on but only 1 or 2 healers, realm 2 has a few healers but only 1 or two tanks… with xrealm realm 1’s tanks now have access to the missing healers that were waiting due to lack of tanks, and vice versa. and dps can only benefit from that.
while i respect your right to that opinion, its not the case. im not sure if someone was horribly toxic to you or if youve even ever played the original wrath back in the day with original rdf, but your view point is VERY jaded but i do thank you for sharing it.
TL:DR
every response you gave can be boiled down too one thing:
your experience in rdf was horribly toxic, i respect that you may have experienced this and while it may be your truth, it is NOT the whole truth of the experiences everyone has had.
rdf is NOT bad, no lies here unless you wrote some?, and rdf is not a social tool anymore than LFG is, they are tools. PLAYERS either make it social or not social, has nothing to do with the tool.
“Waa waaa, toxic toxic”
No one likes your kind and all the relationships built by such people are fake AF.
Defending systems that dehumanize players and transform em on tools to fulfill personal objectives is a thing only egotistical people do.
So yes, everything I’v said stands true. Get lost toxic entitled kiddo, the time of entitled fake victims calling anything they dislike “toxic” is over, grow up or get called out.
if its so literally, post links, your opinions are yours, but they arent fact.
insults will just get you ignored bud. lets stay civil.
this goes for both sides.
thank you
sounds like you are toxic not him, he has not been friendly but your toxicity is the type as to why people dont use lfg as much anymore. youre angry and ill suited for a civil discussion.
Amusing how you start your reply with this as a way to validate your point (personal experience)
im not sure the population on your server but on maladath this is NOT the case, very few folks in LFG tool other than the 3 hour window starting at 7pm est. and very few running the older content.
Then end it with a dismissal by claiming personal experience doesn’t count:
TL:DR
every response you gave can be boiled down too one thing:
your experience in rdf was horribly toxic, i respect that you may have experienced this and while it may be your truth, it is NOT the whole truth of the experiences everyone has had.
Top tier hipocrisy. I can tell now that I’m dealing with someone that just want to be right. (jk already knew that)
sounds like you are toxic not him, he has not been friendly but your toxicity is the type as to why people dont use lfg as much anymore. youre angry and ill suited for a civil discussion.
“Don’t say truths, truths are toxiiccc, pleasee leave him alone!!!”
Nothing is more toxic than the kind that play victim. They deserve no sympaty, and no place in society. Either you discuss things, with what you like and what you not, or you leave the discussion for people that can focus on the arguments without crying victimhood for sympathy points, it’s literally a millenias old fallacy, and honestly it’s tools like RDF that give an endless supply of unaware people that gave birth to this generation of pitiful fake victims that can’t make any discussion with integrity. Get lost.
how so? i acknowledged your experience, i simply said yours wasnt everyones and you attack me? this just reinforces my other comment. you are an angry person and you dont understand the concept of civility, you throw insult after insult, argue and attack, and then try and claim things that arent true. ive tried to stay respectful and treat you decently but you refuse to return that favor.
so i guess this will be goodbye to you sir, and i hope you find some way to rid yourself of your anger, it doesnt make you very easy to like to treat respectfully. good day to you.
Reality: Wasnt in for a year. Its only been 2 months. It was released with ICC once 3/4ths of the games content was already released. It was a final patch testing ground for Cataclysm in reality and LFR in Cata was a testing ground for LFR in MoP.
now folks, please. respect to both sides, dont ignore someone elses experiences but also dont claim yours are the only experiences that could possibly have occured. its the only way we are going to get to continue a civil respectful discussion and maybe gain just a hair more understanding of both sides. we are trying to help move this topic forward, not have it devolve into every other thread out there.
Acknowledged my experience?
By reducing everyone of my arguments as a “oh i’m sorry you had that”. lol.
Listen kid, if you want a singleplayer experience get that game.
Dont come to CLASSIC to ruin the experience of those that wanted to play the CLASSIC experience of a game of a time where there was still some sense of group effort.
MMORPG as a genre literally comes from a long streak of awkard nerds getting together to have fun, you already ruined retail by making it an impersonal experience where its full of entitled garbage that want everything fast, no effort, no talking no anything.
Your “Quick disposable humans to achieve your personal objectives” button doesn’t encourage any of the social things you mentioned, it does quite the opposite, and I already covered each one of your points. And lying about your circumstances is just beyond pathetic when u can see shortage of tanks is still a hot topic after all these years.
I don’t buy your “I’m super respectful” stance when you come down to extreme hypocrisy as a way of argument, the only thing you respect is your desire to get quick results.
Be gone to retail where u can have the consequences of you crybabies turning people into disposables.
i think whats getting to pro rdf folks is the number of tools and features that were historically brought in with classic releases, yet we are either asked to wait for rdf to come in the proper phase or to accept that its been removed. the problem is that other things have arrived out of phase in every classic exp released, and for them to attack rdf of all things, just seems strange and the reasons given nothing but pvp controlled garbage.
maybe if they would stop making vague comments about MAYBE adding it, then this whole subject wouldnt be the bonfire it is.
Yeah, which you can make an argument that if we have end game class balance why not have RDF. I would say Class balance and not having 90% of the server being DKs, because prior knowledge is far more important than a feature that wasn’t in for 75% of the expansions content. One seems absolutely necessary for population control, the other seems like a convenience. You could also say this about flying yet that was added, so its fair.
I just take issue with people reimagining initial Wrath as this RDF exclusive expansion when the reality is it simply wasn’t. Thats reimagining history. It was a butt end feature and the most heavily discussed feature with a large percentage of the players then complaining about it, and then LFR became the big feature to heavily dislike/like.
When a feature causes that much tension between two groups of people and one version of the game, that being Retail, accomodates this playstyle. The best course of action, imo, is to set a hard line in the sand to differenciate these 2 concepts of WoW completely. Because we may actually get a Wrath+ or a continuation of expansions that heavily change things to be more in line with Vanilla/TBC/Wrath than they originally were based on surveys.
If you want to develop a new type of game alongside Retail. You probably want to make it as different as possible to appeal to 2 different niches. Otherwise you are kind of just treading the same ground. Some people SHOULD hate it, and some SHOULD love it. That is the goal with niche ideas.
“Im begging now to retailor this classic game for my own experience”
Beyond pathetic levels of entitlement.
You can hate the feature, but this is complete BS. We’re playing Wrath. It’s a Wrath feature. That’s why it’s different from transmog or whatever else. Unless you’re arguing that Wrath is the start of retail, which might be true. But, if that’s the case, why are you still here? If you don’t like retail, and Wrath was where retail started, then why even play Wrath? Why is it that RDF is a “retail” feature, but not dual spec? I already know the answer. The distinction is completely arbitrary, and it’s all based on what you personally like.