basically anything you don’t like in two months when the population dips
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its going to dip before that lol i keep hearing alot of folks subs run out mid to late oct. i know mine is close and im probably going to let it go as well. between no rdf and the constant toxicity in lfg, its not the wow i remember and loved.
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October 29th my sub ends. My birthday is the 30th so I am considering it a birthday gift from Blizzard for encouraging me to save money from playing their ruined game.
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this would be logical on a pumping the actives numbers. but I honestly do not think this company is that smart / using data to make decisions like that.
There already is rdf. Its in dragonlands.
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way to generalize. show me the link to the facts that prove your point and i will change my stance. otherwise just general tatements with no support. in other words, i believe pvpers would call it copium youre throwing.
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Is aid it and I’ll say it again. This is one of the worst argument against RDF. The statement is plain and simple misinformation. RDF for dungeons is not used in retail. If you go and play Retail you will not be using it after the few hours of leveling.
Edit: After rereading I’ll give you some credit. You said “dragonland” and it will be used for maybe a week of play time in dragonland. So you are technically right you can use RDF for a very short time in dragonland until you get in M+ at max lvl. Then youll never touch it again.
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Rdf puts you in a dungeon. It is used for dungeons. What it ie not used for is mythic+ dungeons which are essentially the raid level of dungeons.
In retail dungeons have 3 teirs. Normal heroic and mythic+ rdf gives you access to normal and heroic dungeons. Which gear you for raids and mythic+ dungeons, which can drop gear equivalent to raids because its tuned as raid level content.
So in essence rdf would do the same thing in wotlkc as it does in retail. Prepare you for raid level content. So if you want a game with rdf, you can go to retail.
No it’s not the same thing. You only do M+ when you reach max lvl nobody farm heroic. Why are you acting like you played it and I ddin’t. Anyone that reached max level and played the game in the last 3 expansion know it’s true. Everytime I just level my character and once I reach max lvl I entirely skip the RDF waste of time and go straight in M+1 or M+2. Even if you don’t skip it because you are afraid. You won’t be doing it more than a few times. Most of your gameplay is not using RDF at all. In retail you do not use RDF. It is misinformation to tell people to go there to experience it. It is not a significant portion of the game.
Doing dungeons in retail is the exact same experience we have in WOTLK. You will be using group finder tool all the time to spam M+ and grind that M+ forever if you want that shiny weekly loot box reward. The retail experience in dungeons is using the same looking for group tool all the time. All your social interractions doing dungeon is forming groups with that tool or trying to get invited through that tool. It is not using RDF for dungeon. It is using the Group Browser tool.
That is not true also. In retail most people don’t bother raiding because M+ gives better gear than Heroic raids through the weekly loot box. It felt really bad not getting any gear from raiding when I was doing Heroics. And it is easier and more convenient than joining a scheduled group for Mythic raids. Almost nobody do Mythic raids, and almost nobody does Heroic because M+ gives better rewards in the long term.
Maybe thats how you played but plenty of people would do heroic dungeons to get a bit better gear for mythic+ and raids, especially if their gear was bad enough that the minimum item level requirements for lfr meant needing to run a few heroics to replace some bad items in order to do lfr.
Are you gonna ignore all the other points I had that form the context and support my argument?
You are ignoring reality. The heroic dungeon part is entirely skipped by most and if not very quickly over with. If you play the game doing dungeons you are forming group manually. The retail experience is not using RDF for dungeons. Telling people that this will be their experience if they go on retail is misinformation. If they want to do dungeons they will be using the looking for group tool just like in the current state of retail. And be ready to farm that M+ rating I forgot the name of before you get invited in higher keys. If people think gatekeeping is a thing in classic lol they haven’t seen retail.
I am not arguing whether its a good thing or not here I am just saying that’s how it is.
I don’t know why you want to die on this hill. Your time would be much better spent using good arguments against RDF, not this very bad one. Because there are good arguments against RDF. Anyone who claims otherwise is delusional. There are pros and cons to everything.
The sad part is there is no gatekeeping.
Me not inviting them to my group isnt gatekeeping them. Them chosing not to even try to make their own group though is them gatekeeping themselves.
As for how much people use rdf in retail, they do it for the same reasons people do dungeons in classic. Gear and experience that will help them at end game.
Right that’s the problem, heroics have a very finite life span in retail just like they do TBC and wrath. Once most people have done them they become much harder to find groups for hence RDF.
The only reason it seems kind of okay now is because people are still gearing for raids. Heck I’m pretty much already at the point of only doing the dailies after less than a week of being 80.
Inversely the only reason the LFG Tool works in retail is because A) it’s cross realm B) mythic+ rewards current raid level gear. Neither of which apply in wrath classic and why the tool will ultimately fail.
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I don’t want to argue semantic about what gatekeeping actually means. Don’t be disingenuous. And why do you pick this specific part that is not related to the main point to focus on and ignore everything else. Please stay on topic.
I’ll humor your misdirection a bit though. I don’t care about what people refer to(even if erroneously) as gatekeeping. I never said it bothered me. All I did was make a small mention that if the people you refer to retail for RDF go there dislike what they perceive as gatekeeping. It is much worse there than here.
Edit: missclicked send by mistake while typing.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if M+ high value reward compared to raids was a major reason for the decline in raid participation. A lot of people I know who still play it stopped raiding to solely do M+. It is very hard to say if it is more healthy or not for the game but it is an interesting phenomenon.
Yeah blizzard really clearly sent the message that in retail unless you are doing mythic raiding or mythic+ dungeons they don’t want you playing. And I guess they got what they wanted…
Wotlkc heroics will stay much more relevant than what retail heroics do.
Emblems will always have a value in wotlkc, even if its just for gold.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s a week or a couple weeks. And at that point it becomes much harder for people to find groups for them, hence RDF.
This is partly true. But for a reason you didn’t mention. If it was in the game they would use it for a part that is much bigger in wotlk than retail. So both would primarily use it for the leveling portion of the game. But for retail it is just a few hours of content in the game. For classic it is days of content for most people.
For max level content maybe they are a bit similar but heroic in retail can be spammed, there is no lockout. Classic takes much longer. And again most people skip the heroic part on retail entirely and I wouldn’t be surprised if it is much less frequent that people skip the gearing process from heroics in classic. Even more people would skip dungeon heroic content in retail if RDF didn’t exist. Honestly retail could remove Heroics dungeons from the game and it wouldn’t make much of a difference.
This is by design.