Two weeks to check your mail? Ooof. It’s moreover courtesy than anything else.
Got it. So, just to be clear, it’s evidence when it suits your argument, but requires clarification/citation/you’re skeptical of it when it doesn’t. Just making sure we check all the boxes here.
Again, you continue to use the word “normal”. I haven’t used that terminology. It is “normal” gameplay for players on low pop realms, sure, but to generalize that as my opinion on “normal” gameplay as a whole; dishonest.
It’s been stated already. I play with close friends. I don’t need RDF to do what I need to do. That said, I have the scope to realize that others do. I have also witnessed people offering gold for tank/heals for literally hours for RFK/BFD/DM.
How does it only partially solve the problem? It quite literally fixes the problem. Building on that, and ignoring your shotty statistics; How does it create a problem for those who already form their own groups? You have your 4 group mates, you form the group and you run your dungeon; there’s nothing wrong with it.
First; what problem do you think this tool was originally designed to fix? Second, the answer to that question is exactly why this isn’t a peripheral benefit. It’s the solution. This is exactly what I’m saying when I say you’re arguing dishonestly. Your points seem to have validity on the surface, but are littered with problematic inferences, and once found, reduces the validity to nothing.
It’s rather simple, and as I’ve already explained; you are purposefully misrepresenting facts in a way that suits your argument (we’ll get into it more later, I’m sure) for the benefit of your argument, but are flawed in principle.
Quite the assumption. Actually, my stance on trolls is to beat them at their own game with logic and facts, and eventually they forget that they are the troll and leave.
What thinly-veiled insults do you refer to? Telling you that you’re trolling? It’s not an insult if it’s a fact. You said; “not many people play on dead servers” I said; “See what you did there”, to which you responded as though you had stated some basic fact of life. If 20,000 people play on dead servers, and 20,000 people play on the same server, that’s still 50/50… Though, I guess that’s my fault for assuming you were both smart enough to realize what was being said, and you weren’t just trolling.
Actually, all I see is the “point” that’s already been refuted. Your opinion on the matter is noted, but irrelevant. Saying “git gud or git out” isn’t a solution. 
We are though. Are we not discussing (this point anyway) your opinion on your experience through a “decade of WoW”? You know, the one where you dismiss the possibility that it exists because you haven’t seen it, while playing on highly populated realms and dismissing any notion that anybody who chooses to stay on a low pop server is “asking for it”?
The first actual semblance of a real point. Good job. Problem is; you’re both right, and wrong. It doesn’t remove anything from groups that already form, or people who form groups “naturally”. What it does is alleviates lower pop servers problems, something you clearly take issue with. You can argue the slippery slope (again), but all Blizzard has to do to RDF is not incentivize it as they did originally, and everybody wins.
Sure, I vote, kick 25% of each mega server to low pop servers. Forceful moves. Give a weeks notice, and xfer the entire account off the servers. If you can’t tell, I’m being rather factious. What suggestion would you give to fix realm populations… I’ve ran through quite a few scenarios myself, and can’t find a good enough solution that wouldn’t completely destroy, well, everything…
Your bias is still showing
Tis not a strawman, but a logical conclusion to this discussion. You have a problem when the issues we’re discussing affect others. All choices made affect others. Point A → Point B. What you should have said was “I take issue when these changes would affect my normal gameplay”. That would require some honesty from you though.
Again, “discrete sections”? If you’re going to downplay dungeons so much, why do you care to have this discussion at all? That would be like me saying “it only affects a discrete section” of your normal gameplay, and thus, you should be able to ignore it entirely. (Almost like that has been said, and ignored, already)
Whoever said anything about a lack of tanks/heals (aside from addressing your “points” about RDF incentives) as a distribution factor? Albeit, most people don’t level as a tank or healer, but that’s why dual spec and RDF were part of the same expansion. You could have your level up/solo spec and a dungeon/raid spec, or 2 DPS specs, or a PvP spec. Weird how other features interact with other features… but let’s ignore those and say “RDF RUINED THE GAME!!!”
Interest, time, effort, all factors in which dungeons you’re running. RDF removes those factors as well, as you don’t have to care about which dungeon you run, why you’re running it, or how long it takes.
Also, pointing out that, again, you’re pointing to them as “lessers”, even though you won’t come out and actually say it verbatim, you’ve already said it.
But there is no longer wait time. You can form your group manually, through your guild, LFG, trade chats… You do you.
No, you gave a slippery slope argument. “We’ve seen what it does in retail”… which is a completely subjective opinion on the matter. Not evidence. It’s quite simply put, not an argument.
So again, so long as the results fit your argument, it’s considered evidence, but if it denies or refutes your argument, it’s hearsay. Again, just checking boxes.
For now, I suppose. What happens if they decide that the new LFG tool is hot garbage, and decide to put RDF in anyway? Isn’t that sort of the point?
Subjectively, yes… your point? Oh, you called it evidence. Right.
Weird how an entire server was added, yet your number didn’t move from 190k (you also lost 25 people somewhere else too)… So you must have been misrepresenting whatever you were looking at? In it’s entirety, no less.
Exactly my point about dishonesty. You have, repeatedly, stated that the incentivized RDF feature is this that and the other, and overall “bad for the majority of players”, and utilized that as a “weapon” and called it an argument. They incentivized RDF because people weren’t using it, and que times were astronomical (50+ minutes for DPS ques across the board). I’ve been very specific, but because you chose to ignore these facts, you can write this garbage and act like you have some moral high ground. You don’t. Also, it’s a very sad day when you have to claim you’re being personally attacked by facts and logic.
Two weeks after our conversation ended, you wrote an essay back to me. This is the opposite of concise.
Giving established tanks and healers a reason to use RDF. See, when I used the terminology “including”, it means that I agree that it was part of the reason, but it wasn’t the only reason.
Que times for DPS were 30-50 minutes, while Tanks enjoyed instant - 1 min, and Healers <5 mins. Retail has less than 15 min ques for DPS, while Healer and Tank ques remain insignificant.
You already know why. You just want to point at this and say that I’m being intentionally vague, when I just don’t like to repeat myself.
Forum Archives. Please, you could stand to surf there for a while. You’ll learn something. Promise
What was that?
My example of Violet Hold still stands true. If players like dungeons, they run them more often than they run dungeons they don’t like. That’s simplistic.
Of course not, pretty sure that kind of talk gets you banned these days, but you can allude to it.
We talked about your statistics and your math, both seem flawed. But to address the point; it doesn’t affect you in any major way, so why do you care?
Just returning the favor when you discuss RDF and it’s incentives. Thought you’d have figured that out by now; but to comment even further, it’s not cherry picking. You said what you said, and it’s mostly irrelevant. “I play on high pop servers, and so should everybody else”… regardless of the pros and cons of all servers in general.
Good thing too, you’d be fairly off base, but nice PA. As I said before, you dictating from on high that you don’t have issues manually forming groups and dismissing that others have issues, and that your subjective opinion of a feature outweighs the objective gains for others who are struggling, is the point. It’s commonplace superiority complex.
Actually, it’s there, you just have to know how to read the graphics. It’s sad too, because I can’t just upload the screenshots and draw on them with crayon so you can see how wrong you are. “Thanks for coming out.”
What relevancy does this have? You think people spam “Looking to run Ramps PST with full group”? Or you’re specifically looking at people who “lurk” in LFG chat and whisper people posting “LFM X”… those are the ones formulating this opinion? In your opinion?
No, what on earth would give you that idea? Oh right, I almost forgot you’re trolling.
Well, that’s sort of the point, isn’t it? You didn’t expect to get fact checked. You figured “good enough”, and ran with it. You probably didn’t even look at the whole picture. Just took what information you wanted and boom, done. Also considering Sulfuras is on your list, which received quite literally all of the xfer intake of about 15 different servers, yea, I’d say you doctored that up.
For future reference, when I say you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill; and you said “one of the biggest reasons”; I’m not making an equating statement, I’m stating that you’re blowing it out of proportion. So you making this statement here, means nothing.
How about the slew of other features added over the 6 post RDF expansions? Or the countless changes to the entirety of the game over the past 6 post RDF expansions?
No one is “pretending”.
That would involve derailing the thread. RDF is the topic, which stems into other features and content. It’s an extremely complicated issue, and simplifying it and saying “it’s bad” isn’t an honest argument. You know this, that’s why you’re trolling.
And? That suddenly makes 20 people in the level appropriate range, who need/want or even have interest in running it suddenly appear?