RCR abuse leads players becoming seriously annoying

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Because they never phrase it, to themselves, as screwing over another person. They didn’t see them, or they didn’t think the other person would mind. C’mon, that’s human nature 101. (And because some people will retaliate for imagined slights. In your story, the higher level person is trying to play gatekeeper. Training mobs is petty.)

Which works for you, but obviously a lot of people prefer to vent in General. It’s not on them to level 1 because their bickering bothers you.

I use RCR when the language in a chat channel is a violation. I actually didn’t bother to turn off the mature language filter, but guess what? I can report obvious profanity, because even if the player ‘masked’ it instead of the filter, it is a violation. I only cause problems for one person, and that only if Blizzard decides the chat requires a penalty.

The idea of abusing RCR takes a lot of players reporting in a short amount of time. That’s not one person correctly reporting a violation. That’s either (1) a concerted effort by a group of people to silence one person or (2) a violation strong enough for warrant a lot of players all using RCR with no coordination.

I don’t.

Sorry, but while it’s a convoluted story, it’s not really what stopped you from getting help.

RCR only has a seemingly immediate effect if enough players do it, that effect being a squelch (if that happens in Classic). A squelch prevents a player from continuing to send chat messages. For that player to say “I refuse to help anyone because players abuse RCR”, they weren’t squelched or silenced - and that means it was a past situation and you have no idea whether it was warranted or not.

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recruit a friend was in classic so i see no reason why we should have it removed

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Yea, it squelches you in public chat, for a day.
Then it auto lifts, nothing permanent.

Now if people keep doing it to you, it sends a flag to blizzard, and blizzard goes and looks at the chat that was reported.

Now if you actually were being a bad boy, then they slap you with a blizz silence, and that does not auto disappear tomorrow.

On the other hand, if they look at the chat captured in the reports, and see that someone is using their little group to be a dick to people, the slapping will go the other way, it will catch up to you.
Especially if your victim is opening tickets and drawing attention to the situation.

The only thing is, the squelched person usually does not wind up being blameless and we only hear one side of the tale here.

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Your server seems like a fun place to play.

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Yep, definitely didn’t take your own advice and willing to fight (or try to prove “you’re right”) with anyone you disagree with. RCR was definitely justified.

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So having Chat on to maybe hear when someone else needs help but turning it on when you do is your thing. Sounds like its all about you so just keep it off.
Sounds like you are just to lazy to use the /ignore feature or have relied on everyone else to do the reporting just as you do want to be available to help others but expect Chat to be there and quiet when you want help.

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The right-click report system was implemented in World of Warcraft in May of 2007, it was expanded on over the years. Please don’t spread misinformation.

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Not really. It was put in World of Warcraft back in Burning Crusade to combat gold selling and spammers. It was expanded in Warlords I believe. As for it being Automated, again not really, you have to actively right click on the persons name to report them.

The “automatic” feature people got their panties in a twist over is the squelch that is applied when a bunch of people report you all at once, and a certain threshhold is met.

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There are more things it can do than that. Depends on what category you’re reported for.

Anyway. Automated punishment systems are a failure of design. Communities always become more toxic with them than without them, because automated systems like that become part of the meta. It becomes a part of the game more or less and people will try to play that part of the game for their own benefit. They encourage baiting behavior, and reward goading people to self-incriminate/escalate rather than encouraging deescalation.

I don’t know a single game I’ve played where automated report features have improved the game. All they do is let the managing companies lay off staff, while the community becomes progressively worse.

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LOL

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Which is abuse. You didn’t use the filter, then complained to Blizzard that you didn’t like what you chose to see

Except the punishment doubles every time with no end to the doubling punishments. So it is a serious problem.

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People really need to stop misreading

I never said it stopped me from getting help I said it interfered with me getting help.

That isn’t what I said, I said the AUTOMATED system.

I should have clarified that the system automated part of the system happens once a person is RCR’d is automatic. The silence itself happens before anyone in Blizzard looks at the reports. (Again this is proven by countless videos)

To the uninformed, if you seriously believe someone needs to do something to get silenced, or Blizzard does something to the people making false reports, or that it matters what anyone reports someone for, you are very sadly mistaken and naive.

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You mean the system where players report other players and after a threshold is met the reported player is squelched?

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The system is great actually, blizz doesn’t have to be for support staff, and players get the power to police each other!

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I made it half way through the OPs ramble and gave up. Yes people abuse RCR. If you’ve been victim to it out in a ticket and report those you think may have abused the system. Blah blah blah.

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Seeing how the OP is running his mouth, I can see why he is getting in trouble on the chat channels. Not even gonna bother trying to correct the OP on some of his “information”. He’s gonna believe what he believes.

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It doesn’t matter if someone uses the Filter or not, using any type of offensive language is not allowed:
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673

You may not use language that could be offensive or vulgar to others.

Hate speech and discriminatory language is inappropriate, as is any obscene or disruptive language.

Eilethalua is doing the right thing.

If you come across a player violating the policies below, you should report them.

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The player isn’t squelched, they’re silenced. Regardless of what Blizzard named it, or what anyone wants to call it, it’s extremely damaging to the games social portion of the game not just because of what becomes unusable while a person is silenced, but more importantly the punishment doubles every time the automated system has flagged you. This spills over into trying to appeal, it is next to impossible to get a a silence lifted. YOu should see the garbage Blizzard GM’s say in chat support for not lifting a silence. There are also videos on youtube showing just how obnoxious the GM support will go to not lift a silence even when the person has done nothing wrong.

Here is a quick example of how ridiculous this is:
Someone was coming out of Brewfest, and they said See you later “NIPS” Which a nip is small one shot serving of alcoholic (in a plastic bottle) so the use of the word was 100% fine and the context was explicitly clear to it’s use. About 10 minutes later that person was silenced. Upon contacting Blizzard support to find out what they got silenced for, they received an email saying "See you later “NIPS” was the reason. So the person appealed that due to the above situation. And no the person didn’t yell or get out of hand, swear or anything like that, they handled the GM with care and understanding Despite they were very po’d about being selectively targeted.

Apparently despite the clear context “NIP” was used in, and where it happened, there was no misunderstanding of what was being said and what it meant. But nope, someone decided “NIPS” was still going to be used as a slur for a Japanese person, and the silence was upheld.

The context never gets factored in, which contradicts the entire use for the system because context is proof of how a word gets used Without context then everything in chat is offensive.

In the above case, the context PROVES how the word “NIPS” was used. It was never used the way someone reported it to be, but the GM didn’t care, the fact that someone only focused on the word is what mattered. So people can ignore context and have their opinion and feelings matter more than how a word is used.

So despite the person who did absolutely nothing wrong, they still got punished, and the silence was still upheld.

There is a list of supposed functional things Blizzard says can still be used while silenced, and some of the things listed are totally false.

While silenced, you cannot

  1. Whisper to anyone (This includes people on your friends list, replying to a whisper)

  2. Use any form of other chat type that is meant for public view (I.E. Say, shout, text emotes)

  3. You cannot invite anyone to a group.

  4. Any and all mail you want to do is prevented.

The system is poison, and causes anti-social behavior. The above situation is the exact reason I have chat shut off. A lot of people are too afraid to use chat because they want to preserve their account.

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We differentiate them because the two systems do work, differently.

Incorrect. The Silence does, not the Squelch. The Silence is manually applied, but the Squelch is not. The Squelch while yes performs a -soft- silence, holds the same duration. The Silence, however is manually applied and the duration is increased, the more you violate the Chat policies. I understand where you’re coming from about the Squelch being a “silence”, essentially, but the automation part is never double nor increases. If you find you have a long duration, it’s because Blizz investigated the Reports and found them to be justified and applied a much longer duration.

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You’re whole defense falls apart because there is no list of offensive things NOT allowed. Furthermore if you want to take the stand point of the F word being offensive, then that means all forms of it (AKA WTF) is all so offensive and it’s user must be punished. You cannot say the F word is offensive then not apply that to anywhere any type of it gets used.

Furthermore What’s offensive? Who decides that? How far back of a definition do you use to determine the use of a word.

As I said above context absolutely does matter because without context there is no possible way anyone can dictate HOW a word is used and it’s meaning an example of this is above.

Except without an entire list of what an offensive WORD is, then it’s the person’s
And people aren’t supposed to be abusing the RCR either.

You are one of those people who just want to keep on arguing instead of looking at the problem and making excuse after excuse.

Profanity/language Filter is useless, because if a word wasn’t allowed Blizzard would stop it from even being typed into chat.

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I wouldn’t bother. The OP has already made up his mind. You’d have a better chance to covert a fundie to Satanism than to change his beliefs. It pretty apparent the OP is not listening to anyone’s feedback.

Let him rant and rave, if history serves me well, the mods will probably shut the thread down

had to edit it, because he thinks I agree with him

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