There are too many pieces needed by warriors and druids to get uncrittable and the s3 stuff is too weak. The ring in particular is going to be a near requirement without having to take a massive hit on other stats that are vital with sunwell radiance. All these rating requirements will do is make boosting nearly mandatory to get the required gear. Without starting at 1500 the road to 1650 for the ring is going to be horrible for the average pve player needing that single item. Completely unreasonable.
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Ughh you’re obviously talking about the ptr. It’s not goona stay… things will be fine. They’re just using original tbc values from that patch but they’ll change it back live
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Or, hear me out on this one, you could just git gud.
But, seriously, Blizz absolutely dropped the ball with the changes they made to arena in TBC, which killed participation and dropped the average arena rating, reducing the percentage of players who qualify for current season gear.
At this point I think that all you can really hope for is for them to do better by arena in WotLK.
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It’s not changed until it is. Assuming they will is crazy with this company
That’s true with blizzard but this happened last patch too with people pointing it out. I’m as anti blizzard as they come but am still 90+% sure they will continue as is live
It is not.
Talking like 3-5 Str/Agi/Stam difference from S3 to S4.
Next.
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actually I think those are the S4 values.
the real issue is the fact that we are using Late BFA MMR calculations without inflation at the bottom of the beacket. Seems like inflation is more or less injected at the top of the ladder for reasons unknown.
IMO just remove gear ratings and cut the costs by 35% to make up for the shortness of the seasons and make S3 gear come from BG honor points.
The make S2 gear replace the “reputation blues”
Oh yeah those are s4 original but I do not think they’ll keep it as is; they’ll go with the values they’ve kept all tbc is my guess.
I also totally agree with the reduced cost and no rating requirement. I loved templates in legion from a fair play stance and how simple it is to get into pvp. With that noted tho being an mmo mop / wod gearing is the best middle ground
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yup, was basically trying to emulate the MoP system because it worked so darn good.
the only 2 things i didnt like about templates was that you could not customize the allocation and only item level mattered and that blizzard was trash at dealing with obvious template exploits.
Learn to gear a tank. Without the s4 ring you are better off taking a difference ring and gemming/enchanting to be uncrittable. The value between bis and non-bis is quite large in this case due to all those other hoops you have to jump through due to the change in how ratings work. 1650 is no small feat for someone using these items in PVE.
lol REALLY? you CANT get def cap in the final phase of tbc, without honor gear? DOUBT
Tell me you don’t know how to druid without saying you don’t know how to druid…
Warrior can be a bit easier if you take gear with zero threat stats but that only griefs your raid.
Sunwell radiance was put in because tanking as druid was too easy. Sorry you have to do your job
That’s exactly what I want to do but a rating that would hit challenger in most sizes is a bit extreme for a freaking ring
You are not being honest, and to get condescending about it is even worse.
Druids especially have it ridiculously easy because of the 3% uncrit in talents.
We need 415 defense or barely more than 100 resil to compensate.
And I would know, I tank with resil items.
Sunwell debuff does not change this, it is a dodge reduction.
The extra agility by then will make up for it.
You are not at all entitled or OBLIGATED to have S4 pvp items.
Bis is a guideline and there are other options until you get it.
Can’t accept that? Your sweat is showing.
But yes, the rating requirement is too high in the BC we have now only because of how much lower everyone is and how small arena participation is. Not for the sake of pve.
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^ blown out of the water
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First the sunwell mob buff will drag bear avoidance down lower than it is now. This means you need to stack more stam and armor than before. Relying on healer procs to armor cap gets more and more iffy. We will flat out take more damage so we need to pick up the stam to survive this. The sunwell gear is severely lacking in hit so you end up needing to gem for it. This means that your attack power and crit will barely increase to get to the stam and armor requirements to survive. T6 items now will include bracer, belt, and boots that are all BiS by a large margin. The brutalis neck is stupid good. Only the neck has defense on it. You will swap the head enchant for the new stam/resil one further reducing your hit. There’s one good ring with defense on it. The new cloaks with agi do not have defense on them. None of the leather gear has defense on it. So now you are required to either wear the s4 ring or give up 2 gem slots plus the shoulder enchant to make up for that single item, which wastes several stat points in the end. With the season 4 ring you can get perfectly uncrittable and land right at hit cap with hit food and have 300 more armor, 200 for attack power, 1% more avoidance, and 500 more health. That’s a massive spread between BiS and second BiS in a single slot. Especially considering the reason that BiS ring will be so hard to get is because of previous changes to arena in tbc that did not account for this. Back in the day you started at 1500, you won 5/10 games the first week, bought the ring on Tuesday. Now you will have to grind to challenger to get it. You won’t do that as feral which means you need a full set of pvp healing gear, enchants, gems, and experience along with 4 others that have done the same. You need to perform in the top 10% of all arena players. For a ring!!! This is not reasonable.
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Refer to the druid classic disc. The ring is the only pvp item in the pinned bis.
The set has 22k hp, 32k armor, 73% avoidance…
And still dodging 46% in Sunwell.
With the season 3 ring you are still just as uncrittable, the resil is the same.
All you lose is 8 attack power, 4 crit rating, 4 stam.
The end of the world indeed.
I cannot sleep at all this night.
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Go ask the brains over there if you should just use the s3 ring in place of it and they will tell you the same thing I’ve told you.
Someone did ask about S4 items and the reply was
something like that. I’m just going to skip them though