Me too, carries for gold don’t sell themselves when the gear is accessible by plebs. At least I can still sell weapons
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very well said
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Why do you need a gate to fight other players? Do you NEED the crutch?
If you are that good a players fight them in the same gear!
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The premise one needs to have a rating to fight players with a higher rating to get the gear needed to kill said players is ridiculous!
It would be like racing a Lambogini against my Chevy Colorado and then telling me I suck cause I lost! and then posting how great you were beating me in my Colorado!
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That’s wild. What a delusional take.
It isnt. People suck at pvp they cap their 4000 games in 140 games at 1000mmr and then they get the best possible weapons from pvp. It would be like me looting the heroic loot from boars i kill outside orgrimmar.
And remember , even I start with the same bad gear like you guys its just you guys are crying your eyes out because you know your ability to grasp everything that happens in arena game is as limited as it is for a chimp and that is why you want to have it for free. I dont care if you got the same gear and weapons as me because i will make most of the people who cry about this look like an NPC in arena anyway. its about making goals for people to achieve. is it so hard to understand ?
The reason why you arent running the raids that we have now at the end of expansion is becuase there is nothing you want from it.
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Uhhh, no. The best possible weapons from PvP require 2200 rating.
And your alternative is WHAT?! them just not play? becaus eif they have to push rating for the gear then they just don’t play like in wotlk. So wtf are you even asking for? 2200 weapon is a goal, something to chase, the same rating requirement as the crap in wotlk needed. What are you crying about? Titles and mounts are a goal, something to chase? maybe you just need to sit back and think about what your goals of PvP actually are?
As far as I’m concerned not having rating requirements on the 365/359 gear is the best we could hope for. So what if people are only capping to buy gear? how does that affect you other than making the r1 title span increase so your dream of r1 is easier when you most likely won’t achieve it anyway?
At least letting new players have access to this gear, THEIR goal is to cap and get gear, who is to say in the process they don’t get interested in RBGs/Arena and actually increase the pvp population?
Like what kind of backwards idiotic take is this?
Same rating requirements for the best gear yet you complain about it somehow being different now? THE ONLY GEAR people EVER struggled to get in wotlk/tbc was shoulders and weapons. So don’t make this argument of how it’s so different.
You need to make your OWN goals when it comes to pvp, not let someone else make your goal for you. R1? 2200 weapon? full 365 gear? not everyone will have the same goal. If you are saying there is no goal to pvp anymore then you just clearly suck at giving yourself goals.
You think the first players that almost hit 4000 rating let blizzard set THEIR goal for them? they were almost 600 rating above the next closest team to them, r1 was guaranteed, they made their own goal of trying to hit 4k rating and trying to set a record that hopefully no one would beat.
what ever the ladder , nothing prevent you from being the #1 player in the world except your skill !
lol that’s brutal, anyone that can handle that deserves gear.
I’m glad it’s an option, the last thing I want to do when I get a toon to max level is spam dungeons and HOPE something drops I can use and if it does I win the roll.
I guess we are forgetting obtaining the elite weapon at 2200 is a 372 weapon which puts people really far ahead if we are talking about incentives
What makes them good at PvP? It certainly isn’t the mini-game of Arena. Lets be honest Arena is a failed format that never was good for WoW or MMO PvP. If you removed Arena most PvPers wouldn’t care. So forcing people into this terrible format for gear never worked, EVER!
All gear in this game is free. It’s not earned. Nor should anyone think it is. Complicating the gearing path doesn’t make it earned. It’s just is bad design.
Your takes are pretty well off base and you definitely don’t understand good design or PvPers. Everyone should get BiS gear before competitive play so that way you can “Compete”. It’s crazy that people don’t understand that or know what competition is.
There are people running around on low pop servers with heroic weapons (that they use in arena) there are about 10 to 15 team in the world who has obtained or can obtain the 2.2k weps now.
This issue is because people have 0 incentive to play arena other than capping and running their primate premades in normal bgs because the only thing they look for is instant gratifications and that is also why they don’t want to try arena because it would be evident that they sitting on a celeron cpu in their mind.
Now if you add rating to gear they are forced to become better and hence more people pushing rating and so we got out stepping stones instead of having 3000 rated players still battling at 1800 rating
what a massive trip
If they can’t get the gear they can’t compete anyway. They need to work on their skill before gear. Hydra got rank 1 in blue gear, in a late expansion.
this is not accurate
heroic ashkandi is bis for alliance and heroic axe of something is bis for horde
No you are driving PvP players away from the game.
Please get it through your head that PvP players don’t want to do Arena or push rating in Arena. It’s cool that you enjoy it but you are a very small minority for a reason. That reason is Arena just isn’t a good PvP format and doesn’t appeal to PvP players who enjoy MMOs.
Stop trying to get people to do what you want to do. It’s weird. Arena players are like Vegans. They always have to talk about it like it’s the answer and try to get you to join. 
Keep you Veganism aka Arena to yourself.
This has been an argument for 20 years now. We know by the data that gatekeeping gear behind rating does NOT work. A casual entering arena for the first time and playing against optimized players with 20+ ilvl will guarantee they never queue again.
There’s a very real reason not even blizzard has kept the gatekeeping in the current game. And why no other competitive game rewards performance with performance. If people don’t want to play it’s because the game isn’t fun. You can try to fix that, but punishing casuals is how you end up with pre-solo Q retail circlegerk ladders (nobody but r1s play after glad/2200)
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Except for the fact they cant buy the 372 weapon yet? Because the cap isn’t high enough for them to purchase them yet.
They must be pulling a quick one over on blizzard to be able to be running around with 372 pvp weapons right now.
They don’t need to add rating to gear, you just need to stop being the stepping stones for the 3000 rating players. You are literally in the exact position right now that you want to stop non-pvp players who farm conquest gear from being for you. Stepping stones. the season barely started, people sell arena boosts on alts anyway, you are going to see high exp players in the 1600-2000’s for probably a couple more weeks. Is this your first arena season?
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What a socialistic community , you guys wouldnt survive in Singapore. Anywho the gear isnt really being gatekept at 1850 rating or 2k for that matter. Anyone who put a tiny bit of effort into learning how to play the game can obtain these ratings… Now it is hard to get 2.2 because you need to be the best in the world to get it the 0.01%. Cant say the same about the pve aspect of the game which the same people clear who cant get the 1850 weps.