Keep going on with this same stance, see if I care. Enjoy being a trash class.
No no, I’m gonna take your BS bait.
Upper middle, please. We’re lower mid at best. Maybe mid mid if we get good enough RNG. I’m sick of warrior being trash, unwanted, and an afterthought to Blizzard. For once I want to be able to log in, que up and get invited quickly so I don’t waste hours. Is it really that hard to understand? Do both of you live in some magical dimension where you get instantly invited because “hey, warrior is good. Let’s grab that one!”
No, you don’t and the sooner you stop with this trash support of garbage we keep being fed the better.
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I can’t speak for Greil, but I personally don’t pug that often these days. If I do, its generally as Prot or a key I’m overqualified for as DPS. I engage with the M+ system the way the developers intended for people pushing higher keys, with a static group.
That being said I don’t spend a lot of time on my Warrior for our static groups because it doesn’t fit the composition (people wanted to push on other things and that’s fine). Next season however, my group sounds all in on Physical Comp so I’m very excited.
I suggest you stop listening to all of the debbie downers in Skyhold and either just have fun, or play another Class if you feel Warrior is down that bad. Obviously you’re not having fun, and you don’t like the way Warrior is handled by the devs. Why keep touching the hot stove?
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It’s not about listening to any of them. It’s about the state of Warrior and how trash it is for every day play. I’ve looked at the numbers, Prot is about it in S3 and even that is gonna be a laughing stock compared to VDH and possible Paladin again.
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Cool, I took a loooooooong time off from pandalands thunder island till shadowlands sanctum.
We have already gone through 2 class tuning passes, and they even nerfed arms the only viable dps spec for m+. With only 2 weeks left, what are you expecting ?
Are you waiting when the tuning is finished then start the complaint for the next expansion ?
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Not even that. More like, wait till the garbage is put on our plate then make some suggestions how it’s good and bad.
Almost like clockwork with tuning changes. Crazy.
As I and Greil have said, tuning occurs all the way up until Season start taking any state of tuning at any point on PTR is nebulous and subject to change.
When the devs didn’t slate us for a rework for any spec (besides prot), the best we could hope for was tuning changes, and adjustments to our tier bonuses. Us yelling isn’t going to suddenly push their development time back a month so they can fit a rework into it when there’s plenty of other release vehicles to use.
I expect mechanical changes going into Midnight, for Fury with its AoE kit. I expect some changes to the Risk Reward factors Arms has, and hopefully big changes to our utility.
Awesome. After seeing the buff, I eagerly checked a log from the top arms warrior to see how much dps we gain from 15% bladestorm.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7LTwbMzJVCfZAWmv?fight=43&type=damage-done&source=18
Arms will be greatly buffed by 0%.
And, I still can’t figure out how fury exists for having 5 target cap.
After all the complaints, blizzard threw us some garbage and thinks we should be content with it.
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Again missing the point. Tuning is nebulous on the PTR, and that at any moment you shouldn’t consider tuning final. Tuning occurs all the way up until the start of a season, and than multiple times through out a season.
The most important part about the PTR is leaving your feedback on how certain mechanics (EG: Tier Bonuses) play out. Actual values of things should largely be disregarded unless they’re so unplayable that their non-functional.
We have given them feedbacks for years. What have they done so far ? What did they listen to our feedbacks ? Let’s take a look at the current patch, it wasn’t like we didn’t give them feedbacks in s2 ptr, they just ignored them, let dps warriors rot for the entire season.
Do nerfing tier set and buffing bladestorm for arms come from any feedbacks? What a joke.
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Quite literally redesigned the tier bonus for Thane in 11.2 PTR.
Buffed our survivability in 11.1 PTR, as well as mechanically changed both Arms and Fury.
There have been plenty of changes made based on the feedback we’ve given.
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Firstly, does that change the core reason that fury is not suitable for m+ ? The MT tier is 5 target capped, no matter how far they want to buff it, they still have to tune around the raids. Once fury is exposed to m+, it is still a dead class.
Yet, both still had high deathrate and have been bottom dead classes for m+. Should we be thankful for these changes ?
should I say this once more?
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No, but as myself and others have stated, we weren’t slated for a rework. Changing Fury’s 5 target cap is something that has to be done with a larger set of changes. No Rework=/= no changes to the core reason Fury can SOMETIMES struggle (Specifically M+ scenarios) with AoE. Expecting a change like that with no rework slated up is a fools dream.
You got some stats on that? Because everything I’ve seen Warrior’s gained a ton of survivability with the changes in 11.1.
I think you have to be realistic about when changes can and cannot occur. As someone who works in game dev, I realize I’m in a privileged position to understand the dev pipeline more than average forum user, but like listen to the things people are saying to you. You complain about tuning, but than swap over to pointing about mechanical issues. Two separate things, where one can easily be adjusted and the other cannot.
Like yeah I think Fury Should be reworked to be the Arcane Mage of Melee with good funnel and a target cap. No I don’t’ think that’s even potentially happening until Midnight. I know the parameters based on my own experience in the industry, and playing this game for almost twenty years. The dev cycles are so predictable, outside of a rework here or there.
I don’t leave feedback for changes that will never occur in a specific timeline. I don’t leave feedback about tuning because its always in flux until the season the starts. I don’t thank Blizzard for garbage, but I also don’t pretend like either spec is so down bad that I couldn’t find success as a DPS Warrior. Unless we’re talkin PvP. I have zero interest and could careless about it.
Awesome, did frost need rework ? Frost was fine with their s2 version, but they went all the way to revamp the entire tree.
Is removing 5 target cap for fury any hard ? It’s just a few line of codes, it doesn’t affect raid performance, it won’t make fury broken in m+ neither. But hell no, they refuse to do so because they are busy to cater other classes.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/42?boss=3016&metric=deaths
Dps warrior is upper high in the death rate
We are not specifically complaining about the tuning, we are complaining about how devs are ignoring dps war, and warrior class as a whole. Tuning is just a reflection of how devs pay attention to this class.
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I don’t play frost DK, but the number of complaints about various issues the spec had (Breath of Sindi Windows, 2H vs Dual Wield, extemly skewed priority, Obliterate doing too much etc.) I’d say they were due for a rework.
Changing anything thats not just a flat value change to the auras affecting a specific spec could potentially break many things. Its not something thats worth risking in a patch that the devs arent dedicating a hyper focus on like they are with Shadow or Unholy DK.
This one fight across the entire raid (also not M+). Additionally, our survivability numbers where much much worse in Nerub’Ar Palace. Fury had the third most deaths for any spec, and Arms wasn’t too far behind. We had great improvements to our survivability in 11.1.
Not seeing changes you want doesnt mean you’re being ignored. It could mean that they disagree with your feedback and don’t wish to make changes. It could also mean that they’re waiting for a better time to send more in depth changes (Like changing Fury’s Target cap) at a time where more resources can be decided to the spec.
At the end of the day the only thing you can objectively do is leave your feedback and either keep playing or don’t.
They did complain about BoS, but frost DK didn’t play breath build in s2, so that wasn’t an issue to them. 2h/dw is a forever issue just like SMF to fury warrior.
They did change the cap counts within a season. And even any player can see changing cap counts for fury warrior doesn’t affect its raid performance, and agrees on removing the target cap for fury. Even lifting the hard-cap to 8 like outlaw should be fine. Fury has no scaling with the pull size, the dmg after removing cap isn’t something complicated to calculate neither. It’s just a simple “raise the hand and type some code lines”. Yet they think still a spec that does tank dmg is working as intended.
I don’t have statistics for m+, but its survivability for raids can be a good reference. I am not saying the survivability didn’t increase, but it’s still in the upper half of death rate chart.
So they think warriors being declined and treated as the bottom class is fine as they intended ? Again, it’s not day 1 or 2, it has been years.
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You think that puts us on an even playing field with most classes? Hmm, interesting.
I’m currently watching some PTR number crunching and Fury is still way way behind. Better than we were, but still not close to the rest.
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While I can appreciate cooler heads prevailing at times, this is not one of those times.
The amount of gaslighting going on is ridiculous when we haven’t been meta for DPS since Legion.
The gaslighting is also irritating when people say just wait for tuning and then it’s like a 4 percent buff to all damage day before raid.
We can look back and see the same song n dance from the dev team regarding this class while hunter gets its 7th rework amongst its three specializations within two-year period it feels like. Don’t hold me to that exact count though.
We can use all the facts in the world regarding the history of tuning and current utility and some will just say everything is fine because they are masochists and enjoy rising above what is essentially a mediocre class.
They will then say well go play a different class. Na, I’ve played warrior since beta of the classic game, and I rather advocate for its health even when my take is wrong than give up on the class.
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No. I said that tuning isn’t finished, and is still in the process of being done. If you want to put words in my mouth at least buy me dinner first.
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Fair enough, we’ll get Sushi tomorrow than. lol