My real goal is to get PvP enjoyers to queue up for warsong gulch (or AB) again so we can get some fun competitive games going… but after thinking about it more, if we add a gold incentive for honor marks it wont change anything, it will still be filled with people who just afk and do the bare minimum….
So, new idea: give everyone the ability to queue from anywhere in the world and make the only reward for rank 15 nothing but a cool tabard and that’s it.
did you just take my idea and say new idea 
rank 14 tier set would be nice. A good tier set anyways
R15
-City Protector title list
–Maybe class titles associated
-New pvp sets, gear, weapons etc
–Sets have redone/better bonuses.
-New mount options
-Teleports to cities
-Unlock Marks to trade in for Supply Crates or Commendations
-Special item to enable you to PvP queue from anywhere just about.
I like that but spread out maybe from 15-16 thats a shizload for just 3 weeks of pvping.
Blizzard probably worries people would start using PvP Glider bot again if they put R15 rank in. Cuz I remember when I bought my original World of Warcraft copy in the box form, it had the little game manual that told all about that stuff. That might be the only issue and maybe even the main reason why Blizzard doesnt want to add the R15 in. It is a massive, MASSIVE grind to get that and keep up to R15. You were supposed to get City Protector title and a port to whatever capital city your race was if I remember right.
So if you were a Night Elf the port wouldn’t really do much for you. Maybe it was to Org and SW only.
The issue is the rewards.
Going by the OP’s list…
Battle Standard anywhere? If this isn’t limited to ‘overworld only’, and can be used in instances. Well…that’s like a free Rallying Cry.
Mounting speed? So now AQ40 groups will require R15 because it’ll shave off several minutes from the run. - In Classic 2019’s AQ40, pugs would regularly require you to “have your mount” to join. So I have no doubt the pugs in SoD would begin to require “must be R15” to join.
Belt Enchant? Frees up a +hit gear to be a ‘pure dps’ or ‘pure tank’ item (no hit on item).
Then there’s the Elephant.
What is R16’s reward. What about R17’s…R18’s…R19’s…R20’s.
No, the better solution is to simply make the Marks a currency for something like Reals. Especially now that Reals will be used to Buy T1/T2 tokens.
No they should bring in R15 like they were supposed to. If you had WoW original version back from 2004 then you could read about all the ranks and all about R15 and what it does for you. That was the last rank and only one R15 per server.
bruh if your guild requires R15 mounting speed then thats on you to stay there. Aint no way sod pugs will. Have you seen the latest Sod pugs?
Now if they start putting in lips, faps, mana/health pots in the real pot i can see that, if not then reals are pve focused only. Maybe another mount or some kinda cosmetic attachment to the real vendor yea.
If that’s the case, they also would need to bring in the Dishonor system, which included being ostracized by your faction. The system also penalized your for killing players that were significantly lower in level.
Never underestimate the power of the Sweatlords. xD
Also, Reals can very much be a PVP Focused item. The Undermine Boxes can yield AQ Mats, which still sell pretty well. Which would make those Boxes a good way to finance the PVP Consumes.
Plus Reals, according to WoWhead can get you Core Leather. If I’m reading TSM’s online price lookup right. That’s 46g per leather, “costing” you 10 Reals per leather.
So…say we went with my conversion rate of 3 (of the same) Marks for 1 Real. AB pretty much guarantees you 3 Marks, so 4 ABs later you got 46g.
alright yeah i see, u right thats a gold farm
I have asked for that to be brought in in the past.
And also this part here
That was supposed to be what gave DHKS only but then they moved it over to killing civilians NPCs. They should bring in the DHK system to where you get a DHK if you kill too many low level players and it did not count towards NPCs when they first tested it out in the alpha. Any player 5 or more levels beneath you gave you a DHK. If you got enough DHKs to cancel out your weekly HKs then you would begin to lose rep with your own faction and had to do a super long quest chain in order to get back into your own cities again and ANY R15 player (City Protector) could kill you anytime, anywhere if you were tagged from DHKs. That is how the original system was supposed to work.
City Procter seems more prestigious to me vs Hero RBG titles. You legit have ZERO life outside of WoW if you are running around with a City Protecter toon in WoW. You were supposed to get City Protector title as well as a custom title for your races city.
I want that system in so bad. Also it would stop the low level ganking AND it would allow people to do PvP in the enemy cities because with that original system, NPCs did not give DHKs. And I always wanted to get a toon down to hated rep with my own city by doing DHKs as well just to do that grind all the way back up.
So R15 and the DHK system the way it was meant to be and not from NPC killing. Blizz should just make essential NPCs un attackable on any realm that they decide to put DHKs and R15 into.
Which is why it wasn’t implemented. Either in testing or in ‘further thought’ they realized players would just make lowbies to harass World PVPers by suiciding into them.
Realistically, I don’t see them wasting time with R15. Because they have to know that additional Ranks will then be asked for. So it’s just a lot of extra work they really don’t have time for (Era, HC, HC: Self Found, Anniversary, Classic Progression, Seasonal) …and I wouldn’t be surprised if some get pulled off of Classic to help Retail during ‘crunch times’.
Personally, I see them just re-enabling Honor Decay (it’s still there and probably just set to ‘0 honor’). They’ll probably keep it at 500k. And set it so we’re at R14 0.0%, meaning if you failed to get 500k honor during the week the following week you’d down rank to R13 73% (believe that’s what Ranker said I’d have this week from last weeks Honor grind).
…and if they’re feeling really spicy they’ll undo the ‘fix’ they put in circa Patch 1.6 that allowed you to continue equipping items you no longer held the rank for. - They’re excuse would be that since Ranking isn’t tied to how you ‘rank’ against others, you don’t need to worry about being “bumped” out of a Bracket. Because someone else did a bit more PVP than you.
((This is largely why I’m like “shush all ya!” Because Blizzard will see this talk and decide to “revitalize” PVP in the worst possible way. And I personally do not want to spend 15.4hrs each week in AB. Just so I can continue to use a weapon and gear.))
They’re not bringing back honor decay, I can’t believe you actually typed all that out. They even got rid of that crap in the new Era. Just add more rewards, simple as that.
R15 is a good opportunity for them to create a good pvp set, not that crap we currently have where you just get more stam and some petty bonuses.
Yes and because when they had open testing for “stress testing” as you call it…that is what the alphas and betas USED to be used for and what their intended purpose is, you are supposed to try and find any exploits that you can and then report them as bugs. Now people just use the alphas and betas for streaming and don’t even try to stress test which is why we have so many bugs in WoW now.
But in part of their stress test, they had people who found out you could derank other players simply by getting in a group and then having someone in the group talk to their friend from the other faction, they could then run up on their low level, flag for PvP and your aoe would end up killing a level 1 player. So they moved DHKs to civilian NPCs only now.
But R15 should still come in the game. Would boost Blizzard’s DUAs and /played metrics tremendously.
Dood nah…
You really think they’ll just leave it ‘as is’? Most of us will be hitting R14 next week. Many already express joy (??) at “this’ll be cap for me” (referring to hitting the weekly honor cap).
Do you really think those expressing that are going to continue to queue up for BGs if there’s nothing gained; max ranked, marks are ‘just there’. I really don’t see any of them taking an alt to R14; maybe R11, but R14?
So, yes, I think they’ll re-introduce the decay to keep the R14s and R13s queueing up. Especially if, as I said, the remove the fix that allowed you equip gear you no longer held the rank for.
Only if the R15 was a temporary rank conferred each week, but even then. How do you confer it if there’s an honor cap.
Lmao yes my dude I and everyone except you don’t think they’re going to bring back honor decay. Bringing back honor decay and especially gating gear behind maintaing ranks will have the exact opposite effect you think it will. I’d quit the game in a hot second if they have that little respect for people’s time.
If they really want people back in BGs they’ll either add another rank or do it another way.
Oh I know it’d make the PVPers quit. But Blizzard will always look for the ‘easiest’ (and often short-sighted) solution to a problem (they usually create).
I don’t think it’s as easy as most think to add ranks. They had close to two years to add ranks in OG WoW. But opted to just not do it…so why would they start now.
So…which is easier: Honor decay, or constantly adding in a few Ranks with rewards; because we both know once most hit R15, they’ll want a R16 (and so on).