Rank 1 Titles Need to Change ASAP

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About 178 people got rank one this season - lets say about half OR MORE are multi rank ones and AWC winners/competitors with friends and buddies that they only play with and get rank one constantly together. That leaves lets say about 80 spots? for new players to get together and push rank one… That is insanely low… like insane.

We need an update, i dont know what it is but rank one is kinda gate kept by rank one players that always get it (Not their fault). Its tough for multi glad players that push that high to even get it … and dont get me started on the last day push, where you have to see if youve made it or not and the people who sit to keep their title safe while you push and push and just fail when the clock strikes 10:00 PST.

And If you compare this to the PVE “rank one” title, its like night and day… The PVP rank one system needs to change… especially with the participation being so bad this expansion

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the issue is that pvp has not attracted enough players to change the system.

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Why does this system need to change, though?

It’s intended to be a super elite reward, and has a ton of prestige incorporated as a result.

Also, 178 spots seems like a super healthy number of “rank 1” spots.

It’s extremely competitive, and that’s what drives the scene and why people like it & push for it, and it drives almost the entirety of the non-casual arena scene.

I think that having something very difficult to work for is what keeps pvp alive and WHY there are so many long-term r1 players.

What would you change?

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Nasrajin is right here. You need to seriously think about what you’re saying. Think about it. Rank one. As in the currently at the time of them obtaining it they are literally the best player in the world, even if it’s just temporary. There’s a reason why very few people obtain it. Actually there’s quite a few reasons. I’m not going into all of that though because it’s too obvious. And yes, in most cases, to be fair, they do have too much time on their hands also. However, if you are going into PVP to try and obtain rank one you had better be ready to deal with all of that. Do you think it’s worth it? I know it’s not to me. I’m definitely good enough to compete with them, but I’m not about to take their spot because I have a life and kids to take care of and a wife and stuff. Technically most people could achieve it if they dedicated their whole life to the game.

There’s a few individuals out there that don’t need to do that though of course, there’s always exceptions to the rule or the norm.

I’m surprised there are not a lot less people that have reached rank one this season. 178 people sounds like a lot to me and kind of generous actually

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It’s supposed to be like you describe 100%

But in reality most of them are getting wintraded and also get by the majority, only by the most broken spec/class.

Meaning people with a job/real active life and playing no fotm got close to no way to get r1 even if a lot of people are actually good to get it.

They should make similar system like in shuffle to make it more fair, make a % per spec, but even it will be wintraded anyway.

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That IS how it is, though.

They’re not, though. Some people do get somewhat “carried” by better friends, but you still need to play at that r1 level to beat those other players.

Looking at the 170 spots on the ladder now, there are another 100 players that are all within two games of that cutoff (keep in mind if you go up, someone else goes down). Those games are so cutthroat that no one is wintrading when they’re not even sure that they’re safe.

Yeah, there are always some comps that do better in the meta but a quick scroll through the ladder has aff and destro lock, devoker, both dk specs, all 3 shaman specs, all 3 druid specs, warrior, ret & hpal, dh, wws, all 3 rogue specs, all 3 mage specs, disc and shadow, and hunters. There’s not a single class that’s not well represented with the lowest being dorito’s wws, the 3 dhs (nate, seaney, mvq), and 4 boomies (cml, rev, dipii, sam).

There were legit dozens of comps played.

We gotta stop this narrative that people who are better players have no jobs or no life. Yeah, a lot of them game in similar hours to a full time job, but palumor is out here getting r1s with a full time job and a kid and he’s not some crazy exception to the rule.

Yes, people who have put years of practice and thousands of hours into improving are better than people who haven’t done the same. How is that different from anything else?

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I wanted to respond to this separately, because I felt it deserved its own response.

The solo shuffle system, while great in theory, is far LESS FAIR in practice.

At the end of the day, r1 3v3 spots are determined by and influenced by EVERYONE.

Shuffle spots are determined by what is fotm for “casual” players.

3v3 always ends up being more fair and even on rep because if you’re competing at the top end and beating the best players, you get the title.

There are multi-r1 and awc players who get r1 every season in 3s, but don’t get it in shuffle because they play a less-popular class that has significantly fewer spots.

Supatease is a popular example, even though he didn’t do as well this season.
Boomy has had the most competitive shuffle r1 with ~10-ish multi r1s competing for 3-5 spots. This is in no way “more fair” when comparing it to something like ret with 25 spots and maybe 3 multi-glad/r1 players taking 3 and leaving 22 for everyone else.

Similar issues apply to any non-meta spec like demo/destro/mage/rogues.

Popular melee classes are easier to play at an entry level and will ALWAYS be significantly easier to get a title on as a result because the number of slots available are NOT determined by the people actually competing for the slots.

If anything, shuffle is significantly less fair than 3v3, but I don’t think that has to change either.

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I meant by that, when you play a spec (whatever the one you chose) you compete against your own spec, people since shuffle can finally have a chance to play instead of being declined if your spec is garbage.

They should make a similar spot available for all spec, that would be more fair regardless the popularity imo.

Also to answer your first message, maybe it’s different in us than in eu (I hope so at least) in eu it’s been a long time title are wintraded and sadly there is proof with video but the people doing it don’t get ban for some reason…
Just sad for legit people trying to push.

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My other huge roadblock with not reaching rank 1, is my absolute refusal to install addons. They feel like cheat codes that betray my own self. I dont mind if other people do. I just feel like for me, perosonally, I would ruin my flow and style and ruin my in-head timers and own mental upkeep. It would bore me.

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The cabal is real.

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Definitely. While this really hasn’t been a problem for r1 (saul and dorito, for example, won an awc with their “F-tier” comp of triple off-meta specs), it is definitely a community problem for the average player. Because of that, I think that shuffle is a good thing. However, I disagree with the earlier part of your post:

You don’t, though. You compete with them, but rarely ever against them in shuffle, because the mode actively tries to avoid Qing you against your own spec. So in the context of r1, it’s significantly easier to get a title as a popular spec.

For example, if you wanted to get a r1 on boomy, you’d need to beat 3k rated players of every class/spec. To get one as ret, you’d only need to beat 2800 players. With boomy, there are 10 or so multi r1s fighting for 3-5 slots and that’s not even counting the shuffle heroes (several of whom are also excellent).
For ret, you have like 3 multi r1s competing for 15-25 spots which makes it significantly more accessible.

My point with all this is that if any of the r1 formats should be adjusted, I think that shuffle should be changed before anything else. It doesn’t make sense that you can be a 3k rated boomy beating all the 2900 players that a 2800 ret paladin would never beat, but the ret gets the title and the boomy doesn’t, ESPECIALLY when the ret is even MORE represented in higher rated lobies so it’s just as successful at the top end.

Afaik only one person wintraded for a title this season and it was a VDH tank in shuffle and there are multiple screenshots to support this.

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Titles could be tied to honor level. Say if you had, honor level 300/400 or higher, you’d get the normal title. Less, and you’d get a different baby title that was the same across modes.

Not that I think they’d do it, but would probably help.

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New players aren’t pushing it.

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I was watching venruki yesterday watching infernion being mad he lost r1 spot cause of wintrader and they apparently trolled him while doing it.

Insane to see that much people ruining the game every season especially when it’s the same guys, Joe Fernandes got a list on his computer with a lot of wintrader and for not being punished.

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It sounds to me like it’s a LOT more prevalent on EU than NA, because I’ve heard similar complaints from a couple other EU awc players.

I think there’s a lot less of it in NA, but NA has a different “clique problem”. Literal top awc Players were Qing with their 28-2900 friends to help them get a safe r1. It’s not an rmt or wintrade thing, but several players took offense that a “lesser” player was “being carried”.

I personally don’t think it’s an issue, because there IS a social element to 3v3 and it’s not like anything against the rules is happening. Also, those players DO still need to play at a very high level to win tbose games. However, it does feel unfair to be someone pushing your first r1 and losing to two 6x awc champs and a healer you’ve never heard of.

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Barely playing the season then loggin in last week and getting top 4 awc VIP bodyguard service is stupid

The cabal needs to be taken down!

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Palumore getting backpacked to rating by Kalvish isn’t a good example and the comment was fine.

People who can’t play 8 hrs a day with half a dozen alts and don’t already have a r1 are basically fighting an impossible wall if they ever wanted to get it.

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So people who have played for years and practice 8 hours a day are better than people who don’t do those things?

Yeah, I agree. So how would you suggest that gets changed?

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If anything just make it so only one r1 title can be given out per account. Since titles are account wide now there should be no reason for someone with multiple toons taking up other r1 spots if they already secured it on another toon

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That’s how it works