Never said he had to. My only point was, he’s in someone else’s seat. Whether we like it or not, Ranger-General is an inherited position, and there is an heir to it. If the elves are reuniting, then he’s in someone else’s seat. As of yet, Quel’Thalas has not changed it’s system of governance. It’s still a monarchy with inherited positions. Lor’themar has yet to declare himself King, or re-establish Quel’Thalas as a republic or any other system of government.
Quite literally, should the exile be lifted and the elves unite, Halduron is in a position that belongs to Vereesa by the kingdom’s own laws.
Unfortunately, monarchies aren’t democracies, and Quel’Thalas is still a monarchy.
I re-iterate, it is the dumbest lore reveal I’ve ever seen in a novel that Ranger-General is hereditary, but that doesn’t change the fact that its lore.
He’s not in someone’s elses seat. It’s no longer an inherited title. The Farstriders elected Halduron as the new Ranger General. He’s sitting in his own seat
Silvermoon hasn’t had a king since the death of the last one during the third war
Quel’Thalas’ government has not changed. Positions are still inherited. In absence of an heir to the title/position of Ranger-General (Alleria disinherited, Sylvanas dead, and Vereesa exiled), it went to whomever the regent deemed most worthy, which was Halduron.
But if an heir should appear, then that changes, much like how if a Sunstrider heir appeared, Lor’themar would no longer be regent.
Again, Quel’Thalas has not changed from a monarchy. It still functions the way it always had. If Vereesa’s exile is lifted, she is the heir to the position of Ranger-General, and that means Halduron is in her seat. The Farstriders get as much say in this as they’ve ever had in Quel’Thalas’ past.
And just to reiterate again, it’s the stupidest bit of lore they’ve ever come up with. It’s not as if the position of Grand Magister is hereditary. Why Blizzard chose to make Ranger-General hereditary is mind-boggling. Well, short of inventing an excuse as to why someone like Vereesa would replace Halduron.
Technically yes, it sorta became an inherited title, but if Silvermoon no longer recognizes you, and the rest of the line is destroyed, then they can give it to whoever they want. Heck even if it isn’t Lor’themar can do whatever he wants. The silver covenant is a radical dissident group as far as Silvermoon is concerned.
A lot of high elven traditions likely went in the dustbin when Arthas destroyed their culture and left most the leadership dead.
But then if Silvermoon DOES recognize you again… -Gestures at the discussion in the thread.-
Like I said, if a Sunstrider heir appeared, Lor’themar would be compelled by law to give up the throne, or end the monarchy and rebuild Quel’Thalas’ system of governance.
The same applies with Halduron and Vereesa. If a Windrunner heir is recognized, he’s in that person’s seat. Short of Lor’themar changing the system of governance, nothing changes that fact.
Lor’thmar has been pretty frank about what he thinks of Vereesa in the past, so I do not see him being real keen on it. My bigger concern if they wanted to push that is they would just give Halduron a Glorious Death™ and have the position happen to open up.
Though, that gets super complicated if Sylvanas also returns, as she definitely would have seniority.
Depends on how inheritance laws in Silvermoon take into account undeath. Does inheritance take effect at the moment of death and disregard undeath?
Granted everyone hates Sylvanas, so… yeah. Not a much better option.
Its what I’m expecting at this point. Of the three main Blood Elves (Lor’themar, Halduron and Rommath), Halduron seems the easiest to get rid of to push that narrative of, ‘elven reunification,’ by giving Vereesa a spot on the ruling body of the elves. Rommath isn’t safe either, but moreso due to his attitude/position towards the Alliance than anything else, and Blizzard had just conveniently ignored that sort of characterization recently to push a peaceful narrative, so I think Rommath is at least a little safer than Halduron.
I suspect the major narrative they will put is all the Thalassian elves at the end of the day put Quel’thalas over any ties to Horde or Alliance and will work together to defend it. The Alliance never marched on it, so they can take advantage of that in their unification scheme.
That is likely the same way they will push more or less neutral Quel’thalas also, considering it. They elves have always been a bit of a fair weather friend for whatever political alliance they are playing for, so it is carrying on a long tradition.
Tradition, not law, dictated that the eldest Windrunner be groomed as ranger-general. Prospective ranger-generals, including Windrunners, still had to get themselves elected by the Farstriders to officially hold the title. “We honor tradition, but we also are free-willed. We serve our people, but we are not servants. As was done in millennia past, I will ask, and you will answer, if you will follow Lady Sylvanas…"
Even if Halduron OD’d on bloodthistle tomorrow, his mantle wouldn’t automatically pass to a Windrunner. Nor is he warming the seat for a Windrunner. His fellows elected him; Alleria or Vereesa could invoke as much tradition as they liked, protocol would still require the blood elf Farstriders to elect them.
Certainly, Vereesa pulled that off in Dalaran with her anti-blood elf paramilitary group… but that in no way legitimized or invested her as Ranger-general of Silvermoon. Silvermoon’s rangers elected their own leader, and chose Halduron.
Vereesa didn’t inherit her title, she made it up herself. Halduron has been Ranger-General of Silvermoon for longer than the Silver Covenant has existed, and he’s a far more experienced ranger than she is. Even before the Third War, she was not in a good position to be a candidate for Ranger-General; there’s a reason Sylvanas’ second-in-command was Lor’themar and not her. That she founded an anti-Sin’dorei paramilitary group and styled herself Ranger-General of that specific group doesn’t mean that she’s owed Halduron’s seat. We don’t even know if she’s still involved with the Silver Covenant at this point, since according to Alleria she moved away from Dalaran.
Yet they changed their mind, and haven’t ever even hinted at such an event in game. Moreover, Blizzard published “In the Shadow of the Sun” as an official story afterward, which has Halduron specifically say that he no longer has any doubts of Rommath’s loyalties after he stayed true during Kael’thas’ betrayal. All evidence points to the “Rommath is a Void cultist” idea having been abandoned entirely.
Yes, and I also know that they are trying to change that. That doesn’t mean that I trust them to accomplish that goal, but I’m not going to assume a worst-case scenario at this point when we have almost nothing to go on and the expansion is not yet set in stone. Rommath was almost villain-batted in Cata, but at some point the devs changed their mind and didn’t go through with that plot, possibly due to player outcry. Plots have been changed based on feedback, so I’m going make known my opinion about ideas I don’t want to see, such as killing off Blood Elf racial leaders to make room for Windrunners.
Nope, it’s a technically a military autocracy that utilizes the stylings of the previous monarchy for legitimacy. Lor’themar as “Regent Lord” has more consolidated power than Anasterian did, since the Convocation has never been reinstated to keep the head of state in check. Halduron as Ranger-General has more power than Sylvanas did in the same position for the same reason. The monarchy ceased to exist entirely after the Regent Lord and his allies assisted in the overthrow of the hereditary sovereign. Lor’themar has also made it clear that he would challenge anyone who tried to claim the throne using Kael’thas’ declaration that Anasterian was the last king as justification.
Literally has … Like it has factually, specifically by literal definition changed.
Suggesting otherwise is either trolling, headcanon, a mistaken misconception or purely fallacious.
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I’ve also addressed this in another statement of mine earlier, which it seems Solarion either missed or didn’t care to reply towards →
Halduron should keep the title of Ranger-General of Quel’Thalas — But he should also get more spotlight to reinforce that position and give some grandeur to holding such a title … Hence the purpose of this thread.
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