Raiding Without Playing M+

I want to get back into playing raids when DF comes out. So I had a simple question that I have been assuming, but I don’t know if it’s incorrect.

So, just for context, this question is just about a normie raid guild, not a top of the line mythic raiding guild.

If I joined your raid normie guild, and refused to play M+ for extra gear because I hate M+ so much, would you be reluctant to allow me on the raiding team?

Would it be like “Man, this guy doesn’t play ball or put the work in for the extra dps or heals,” or does anyone actually care about this? When I did heroic raiding in Nath, I always felt a little pressured to play M+ weekly to keep up, but I don’t know how much of that was self imposed and just my reluctance to say “No, I don’t want to do that.”

I feel like the above scenario is assumed a lot, which is part of where the hatred for M+ comes from for some people. Is this just paranoia, or do people really feel like everyone should be playing M+ if they raid?

This, All depends on your group, there’s always a min-max culture in the game that’ll push for M+ and some guilds help with at least the weekly +15; however, there’s a lot of cores that doesn’t ask for this, maybe if there’s a block in the progress, any gear can help with that but it’s a matter of your raiding team.

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you do not have to run M+ if you hate it so much…especially in DF :100:

just know what you’re doing, and enchant your stuff…

i don’t know why this is so hard for some players to figure out…

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I don’t M+, and I’ve never had a problem getting AOTC. Occasionally my guild master will put out a beleagured “can everyone PLEASE try to do ONE mythic dungeon before next reset” notice but I ignore those instructions and I’m very rarely bottom dps. you’ll be fine. <3

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Because WoW is a min/max culture, so it always feels like the min/max is expected.

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i hate to say it, but you’re on a forum discussing the game, asking for advice…you’re a min/maxer to a certain degree :100:

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Expected but not obligatory, just look for a core that doesn’t ask for M+.

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I was sure posters keep telling us that they Raid for FUN! Soon after they whine about others getting the same ilvl as them in content others enjoy.

Please just let people play the why they like and get gear the way they want blizz. Raid loggers are not more important than the rest of the base.

Vis-vers

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The idea is that doing M+ is an easy way to acquire gear early on, and many people that raid like to have as powerful of a character as they can that fits their intended investment. This is normal for almost every type of video game that has power progression - doing bigger numbers, more damage, etc is fun. People want to have fun.

The reason it’s amplified in raids is because it’s a team thing, and people want people to contribute to the team.

Min/maxing is a lot different than just getting upgrades when you can.

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As others have said, you just need to find the right guild / raid.

If you’re in a raid where M+ is optional but others are doing it, you will feel left behind and others may harbor animosity towards you if they feel like they’re carrying you through content.

You need to find a raid that actively despises M+ as much as you do, where none of the raiders are doing that content. That’s where you’ll feel at home.

Nope, as long as you have normal DPS for ilvl who cares…but truth be known if you go with guildies into mythic + t’s a lot better than pugging.

It is fun, but “fun” is not black and white. The challenge being the majority of the fun does not mean it is the only thing people are allowed to find fun. Gear upgrades are also fun. Doing challenges for certain items is fun. etc.

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I just hope such a thing exists.

Getting gear from M+ is easier than raiding. You can only run a given raid once per week. You can run the same M+ dungeon as many times as you want.

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This is a normal raiding guild? I mean you can get the same gear from a 2 so it makes sense to do some M+, but at the same time, you can successfully clear normal in last tier’s normal gear.

It’s not about the gear, I just hate M+. It isn’t a fun mode for me to engage in.

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agreed, but then they whine about what others have and how they got it.

It’s ego 's

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the idea that this only applies to raiders is… silly.

people on the internet whine about everything, especially the General Discussion board lol

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honestly, the only plus to mythic plus is the vault and not really the gear drops from running said dungeon. Per se…

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you miss the