Raiding versus Mythic Plus

Yep. This person is full of it. Just block/mute them. Troll city. What a weird stance on everything. Stereotypical mythic raider(Im better than everyone)…I didn’t think they still existed XD

Way!

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Actually no shot, sorry. :dracthyr_hehe_animated: There’s some 2700 score guy I know that manages to pug first 3

I guess you guys don’t realize how successfully the whole “affixes should buff and heal us, not make the dungeons harder” whine brigade has convinced Blizzard to lobotomize M+.

It doesn’t take much to do higher keys. Especially since M+ is all about just waiting until “push week” and then doing it and pretending what a big shot you are.

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checks notes started helping friends pug community kill bosses a few weeks ago.

Guess achievements dates don’t matter.

Like killing Mythic Tindral 4 days ago… after that 10% nerf

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When was the last time you touched a push key

Probably back when the affixes were actually challenging.

He just really hates M+ so it causes his bias to show, that’s all

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I do, but that’s only because raiding hasn’t been brought up to modern wow. It’s not the fault of mythic plus, it’s the fault of the devs not caring to bring raids inline. A ton of good suggestions have been dropped into the forums that would really help raising and continue to be ignored.

There’s this week if you feel like a challenge, but you don’t even really seem to be seeking one in raiding?

And in infinitely scaling content it’s not like you’re gonna not be challenged in general

This is all kind of confusing

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I meant back when we had seasonal affixes and things like Bolstering actually meant something.

But then Thundering hit. I always had my suspicions about M+ players (just look back at the Necrotic whining even after Necrotic was nerfed to oblivion), but the collective “THIS IS TOOOO HARRRRRD” meltdown we saw then made me lose all respect.

Oh, it means something right now

Me when raiders gloat about killing their bosses 3-4 months after the good players do when it has had something like five rounds of nerfs and they’re 15 ilev higher

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You should actually look into these things instead of just vomiting out urban legends. The first Fyrakk kills were all 480+ ilvl raidwide. I don’t think any raid teams are running around in 495 gear.

18’s aren’t difficult either. They’re even easier than heroic raids but for some reason reward higher vault gear.

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People gear gate now, I don’t see how this is an issue. You can’t PVP without PVP gear.

We already have a working version of this in the game, so your assumptions are just FLAT OUT WRONG!!

Even if you don’t, sarkareth and Fyrakk were drastically easier on heroic than Raszageth.

The last couple seasons heroic has been a joke, nothing like the Jailer or Raza. But m+ is on par with that, let’s not pretend is not brain dead to do a +20, you dont even need to time it to get a vault item.

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To be fair, Brewa is pretty good in terms of Mythic raiding content. But it is strange that they decided to exchange a personality for their deep-seethed (and frankly at this point illogical) hatred for Mythic+.

On some level I find it genuinely impressive, and the other part of me think it is probably fairly sad.


In regards to this thread though… No, raid gear hasn’t decreased in quality or quantity just simply because there’s more forms of PvE content in the game. The folks who keep pretending this are just like Brewa though, and genuinely think that if one were to remove content folks would flock to the game rather than away from it.

It is honestly astonishing.

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I work way harder in a 16 than I have on any heroic raid boss on any tier. Heroic raiding is a joke in difficulty especially for tanks. Dedicated mains also aren’t hunting down end of dungeon drops past the first few initial weeks anyway. Raiding also has the distinct advantage of having the premium weapon and trinket drops too.

Trying to buff raiding difficulty by adding in the scheduling aspect instead of strictly going by the mechanical apitude and output demands is just being disingenuous.

Yeah sure, I can literally solo any +18 dungeon on any tank.