I’ve sat in Discords while pugs formed and listened to the leads judge peoples raider io scores and make decisions based on that. I don’t know how common it is, but it’s not totally ignored for raids. Experience in high end content is still experience in high end content, even if it’s not the specific mechanics in the raid.
In my experience, like 90% of people leaving M+ in progress are leaving BECAUSE they realized the run won’t be timed and therefore won’t raise their Raider IO score.
People very rarely leave due to sheer incompetence resulting in potential 2 hour runs or failure to complete in general. Those groups are almost non-existent if no one is trying to carry an undergeared friend.
I guess at the end of the day any individual’s experience will be a drop in the bucket vs the amount of runs being completed every day.
I just know personally when I was running keys around 10ish and below, almost no one ever left, even if it wasn’t timed. Because those people need the gear still and that’s mostly why they’re there.
As soon as I started pushing into 14ish and higher, suddenly every other group that didn’t look like it would make the timer had a quitter, even if it was just one unfortunate wipe. Including one guy who left AT the last boss (with time left) because we didn’t have enough time to kill it in the timer.
Gotta understand that some people pug because they don’t have guilds for legit reasons. I personally will never join another guild because no one I know irl play anymore & I don’t trust random strangers online. In Legion I pugged whenever I had to time to so pug rules will never be a non issue with me since I “get it”.
Still though, to agree with your point if you didn’t start the pug, then you follow that pug leaders rules regardless of how you may feel about them. Seems pretty simple to me.
There are people in my guild that mean too much to me to leave, but generally speaking there isn’t a lot of mythic+ and heroic raiding (or any mythic raiding) happening. So I have to go with pugs.
What does trust have to do with being a part of a guild to raid? We have people who raid with is who never speak or chat to anyone just log on durring the weak to do whatever it is they do and join in at raid time. They hop in disc to hear calls but they never say anything
Has to do with irl issues from my past that sadly transitions in to the game & it’s a struggle to get over them. Let’s just say with people I don’t know I’m very cynical & distrusting towards them.