Nah raider io will still be used because of the amount of keys info. The blizzard io does not seem to include that so it will be carry city up in the group finder.
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This is not dead, there are guilds that host training raids. My guild consistently tries to help other guilds that are progressing and struggling cause most are new. All for free, and we aren’t the only ones that do so.
If you aren’t happy to help others still like you used to then so be it. Blizzards version of IO doesn’t change how the game has been divided with elitist’s vs casuals, there is always some way to separate people.
So you essentially want all of WoW to become Twisting Corridors?
There are very few new players left in WoW. The majority do not stick round since the deck seems so stacked against them.
Yeah. Go do it if you crave the difficulty and want to be the best. You also shouldn’t have an advantage in PvP. If you’re a great player, you would still win with equal gear.
Also twisting corridors was annoying for other reasons. Nice strawman though.
I have to agree with Beldrak. Most every last one of these complaints can be easily solved with Run Your Own Keys, Make Your Own Groups! The entitlement gets ridiculous.
That’s not why. Mmo genre is just not popular anymore with all the f2p games a la league, fortnite, warzone. The only way to bring new blood is by inviting friends, in which case you’d already have someone teaching you the ropes.
I pushed my Warlock all the way up to 14s in the first few weeks of the expansion with pugs alone. IO is a good judge of character. IO does more to benefit the lone-wolf style player than it does suppress them because it allows you to weed out the strangers who you want in your group much more accurately.
If you’re not putting in enough work, your IO will show it. I’m not going to take a player that hasn’t completed anything higher than a +7 into the higher keys. If I know them personally and they’ve proven to me they can interrupt, cc, and line cds up pretty well, absolutely! IO is the only way to prove that you, as a stranger, know how to do these things because they’re absolutely required in the higher difficulties. Having a low IO communicates to me that you are either 1) on an alt or 2) have reached your personal skill cap 3) or are climbing keys for the first time. If it is the 3rd, then you need to take your time and go up the difficulty ladder like everyone else did.
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Well the devs can keep doing what they are doing or they can look at spicing up WoW’s boring and tedious combat system and possibly making the game more inclusive.
Or they can double down and keep murdering the game.
It’s already inclusive af dude. It’s you trying to do stuff that’s way out of your league. Stop trying to run when you can barely walk. There is a place to learn. It’s not in +15s.
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I’m not speaking for myself. And I’ve done plenty of 15s thanks.
“but i want the gear from 15s so anything less is a waste of my time, which is just as valuable to everyone else as it is to me 
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Why shouldn’t casuals get the same gear?
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The way I see it is IO is mostly used to see if you experienced, know mechanics, and know what to do for each pull. If you try to join my 15 key and your highest is only a 7 I will automatically decline you because that tells me you do not know the differences past lower keys to higher keys. There are many small yet subtle and some not so subtle differences in how keys get done past a certain point and you not breaching that barrier yet means I take the risk of not timing my key.
Now some keys I just don’t even care about and go for completion like now I have my KSM and mostly I just complete a key each week so I ease way up on that type of mentality. but come Season 2 Its right back to the mentality of I will decline you if you are not the right class or show you just want a free carry.
they should! for the same amount of work as everyone else who has that gear!
Why? Who cares about the work? This especially presents a problem for PVP. In PVP, you want an even playing field. Gear ruins that. And for PVE if you want it to be competitive or if you want to maximize your chance of beating bosses, it would be ideal if everyone were well geared.
There is a reason arena tournaments and MDI standardize gear.
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IO isn’t inclusive or exclusive. IO is merely another kind of achievement.
If I get to 1k IO then fail every key for a month, I’ll still be at 1k IO. If I abandon every group midway through keys, I’ll still be at 1k IO.
People are inclusive or exclusive and you cannot get rid of them and still have an MMO.
Groups would like you to be level 60 before taking you to level 60 content. Groups would like you to have cleared heroic raid before taking you to mythic raid. Groups would like X before Y.
IO is another kind of achievement that shows you are ready for Y.
Do us one better, ONLY invite people with low IO scores.
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The thing is they don’t show you are ready for anything. If you are a great player with few friends, you would have an artificially lower IO score and if you were a bad player with many good friends, you could get your IO up. It says nothing about your ability to win except that, on average, someone with a higher IO could be marginally more likely to be better than someone with a lower IO (looking at 1-15). If you look at people with 2k-3k io, they are all extremely decent players. But for IOs around 1k and below, it is almost meaningless.
Legit I was impressed at least 1 person runs at a faster pace then the vast majority of GD lmao