You could absolutely do it without raiding gear, you just had to not suck.
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Laughable and wrong. Yes it could be done, but ALL five players in your party had to not suck and had to already have good dungeon gear. Seems like a no brainier now but 13 years ago most wow players sucked.
Man you have to have a competent group in order to progress and get gear that you want? Man, you are right what a slap in the face
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Are you trying to be willfully obtuse broheim? A competent, well geared group to get a set of gear that is subpar to raid gear which takes less effort.
What exactly is your point? The gear is suppose to be for people who specifically donāt give a crap about raids. This is just an avenue for people who just do dungeons.
While that is trueā¦ Wooosh.
So you canāt justify your point but result to memeing? Thatās pretty standard. If you would like to actually defend your point on how this is a slap in the face to people who donāt care about raids Iāll be waiting.
i cant wait for the battlegounds patch during phase 2 or 3.
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My mage (posted above) and some similarly geared guildmates completed our sets during vanilla. We were ANYTHING but raid geared, and yes, you have to actually be good and not slack as you had the wiggle room to do in a raid. Not sure if Twiinked agrees or disagrees with my OP.
I realize you never got the set so you donāt get it but I will break it down. The 45 minute Baron run stopped most casuals in their tracks without help from buddies who raided. I already explained that but here it is again. Simple enough?
Yeah seems simple enough, except you didnāt need raid gear to do this, you just needed a competent group. So once again, how is it a slap in the face to players who only do dungeons, to give them an avenue for better gear outside of raiding that actually requires you to be competent? Simple enough?
Baron 45 stopped most raiders in their tracks. Being used to relying on 39 other players to camouflage the suck. The Baron run had a lot more to do with competency than it did gear.
It would be interesting to see if Blizzard has stats on completion of that run during vanilla.
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I got the dungeon 1 set on three different toons because I liked the look of it and never played wow sober for the first 10+ years. I would not say we were exactly competent. But we did have raid and/or grand Marshall gear and it sure did help.
Are you drunk posting dude? The effort far exceeded the reward and most casuals never were able to complete it. I really donāt know how to explain it any plainer.
There is no need to explain it because I fully understand what it takes and what you get. The part you seem to not understand is that this was made as ācontentā for people who just simply donāt want to raid, so the gear to them is still better than what they have, so a lot of people will still go for the gear simply because itās an upgrade that they can swing given that they donāt want to raid.
The effort was tough, and it was meant to be tough, otherwise it wouldnāt be much content now would it?
Now we will just digress into a 100 post semantics argument over the definition of ācontentā. But there was massive nerd rage by casuals back then due to it being harder and more expensive than raiding, hence the slap in the face. Years later we all pretty much see it just as you described but that is not how it was received back then.
Your server must have been prone to odd rage fits as on the servers I played on there was anything but rage about it.
It was received just fine.
So we go full circle. āOh my god I have to have a competent group in order to get the gear I want? What a slap in the faceā
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Ok, now you really are just rat posting or Iām trying to do something akin to explaining algebra to a toddler.
Google the phrase. I donāt know how to say it using less syllables.