Yeah for me personally I’m not sure these nerfs were totally necessary, but more time was. Guild just finally started on jailor a week ago. It is more likely we will beat it in the timeframe now (people are going on summer vacations making our July raiding really sparse) but I’d like to think we could have done it before these.
The real damage is Mythic raiders will probably never trust Blizzard ever again and will start extending as soon as the raid comes out on Mythic, making M+ gearing ACTUALLY mandatory if you want CE.
I feel Blizzard is pretty much obligated to let players know how how long tiers will last in the future if they want normalcy to return to those impacted. They mentioned road maps but it needs to be an actual thing for folks to trust Blizzard again in this regard.
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If you have no idea about the area you try to comment about i would advise silence from your end.
This tier has been a mess as far as design is concerned. The progression of guilds currently supports this. Your claim about “BUT HALL OF FAME MOM!” is also so incredibly irrelevant i cant even fathom it. You do realize that Hall of Fame cant be compared to regular CE like the way you are trying to right now right? You didnt? Figured as much. Hall of Fame is different and as such also rewards a guild wide title and elevates these people from regular CE obtainers. They can not be taken into account for how many guilds usually obtain CE.
There were 347 guilds that had killed Jailer on June 30th. That number is incredibly low. Especially with the average norm for CE obtaining guilds being around 1.3kish. The tier has been a mess given the odd levels of difficulty and over the top bosses with several walls despite being uncalled for and what not with Halondrus being the biggest offender. This raid getting absolutel bombarded with nerfs is a testament to that.
If you have no idea about what you are talking about be silent. It also spares you the embarrassment.
The nerf on Jailer is still absolutely massive.
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3k IO Andy’s talk about M+ all the time. That’s just how this forum works.
Doesnt mean i have to ignore it tho
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No, it means malding out over it isn’t going to do or change anything.
Oh it isnt malding. Malding would have resulting in me not disarming my post to obey coc.
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Firstly, step off. Just because I don’t raid mythic, doesn’t mean I don’t know how it works. I know what I know thanks to my own research, which includes reading forum posts like these, talking to friends who do raid mythic, and generally paying attention to the scene. My own brother who was in a world first guild and still raids mythic but now more casually tells me about the issues his guild faces all the time, especially when it comes to recruitment.
Because when it comes to recruitment there are far too many players who just want CE and aren’t really prepared to put in the time to make sure they get it before the season ends. In fact those types of players really piss him off, because he works all day as a professional bricklayer, then goes home, helps prep dinner for his family (he has 6 kids), and then he still finds time to put in the work to help his guild push through mythic and clear the raids. So he absolutely hates lazy players who aren’t willing to put the effort in and want more time because they were too lazy to put the effort in.
Okay? Congrats, you understand that the mythic raiding tier is an exclusive club. Most raiders don’t go there. They stop at heroic because mythic takes far more effort from players, not only in the raid itself, but also farming the materials for consumables needed for the raid, etc.
Shadowlands raiding has had a particularly small crowd because a lot of raiders don’t like the expansion and have quit. So seeing small raid completion numbers at the mythic level doesn’t surprise me at all.
I don’t disagree, and I believe it was needed. My brother even attested to that when we talked about it tonight. It will give more guilds an opportunity to get CE this tier, if they’re willing to put in the effort before August when S4 starts. They’ve got plenty of time.
My stance is pretty simple. You want mythic rewards? Put in the bloody effort to earn them. Demanding extensions because you aren’t willing to put in the effort and want to backseat it compared to other guilds is not acceptable. If you can’t muster up the effort to earn the rewards, you don’t deserve them. End of story.
I think the point you are missing, is this is vastly different from how things have ever been. You are telling people who have gotten CE for every tier that they are not good enough to get CE.
No, I’m not saying they’re not good enough. I’m sure they are. What I’m saying is that if they’re not willing to put in the effort to get CE before the tier ends, then tough luck. Demanding an extension isn’t going to work, not in Shadowlands, not with S4 needing a decent run time before Dragonflight launches in December.
True. Your post however make it absolutely obvious that you dont. You using Hall of Fame as your reason for “if you didnt get it yet you dont deserve it” is a testament to that.
So everyone you talked to has no idea or you completely misunderstood what was stated. Good.
Also wont change what i said.
Yeah great these players exist. So what? It doesnt change the fact that your comparison with the Hall of Fames was nothing short of a massive facepalm. Halls =/= CE. Your comment only holds true to people that would be complaining about not getting Halls yet as those people more than clearly missed the line for that.
Read the rest of the post. Also consumables in shadowlands? Yeah that is by far the least of any guilds concern. The only real thing a raider has to come with are pots. The rest is usually supplied by the guild. By Mythic guilds anyway. And even if i add food the list the cost for food buffs is so incredibly low i will just disregard it again.
Given how every mythic tier to this day worked no. Including previous SL tiers since you brought the decline of raiding in SL into this above. Its not just the “effort” but the whole design of the raid together with the time given thus far. You saying people want to “backseat” it is also absolutely disgusting from your end and disrespectful on every level imaginable.
If you have no idea about the topic keep silent. “End of story”.
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You are, again, comparing the time and effort that has to be done for Halls to regular CEs. It doesnt work. Hence me telling you to keep silent because you evidently know nothing about this topic.
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Well, first CC member I’ve had to block. Surprised it took so long. Moving on.
Negate what was said then. Also me being a CC member is irrelevant but its amusing how that is your only rebuttal.
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End of the day, if over 200 guilds can accomplish defeating the Jailer on mythic, then there is no valid excuse that other guilds who are progressing right now can’t step up their game and get CE before August. None.
It’s not Blizzard’s responsibility to give them extension after extension so that they can finish the task, and inconvenience other players in the process. When you’re tasked with handing in an assignment for a university class, most of the time except in very rare circumstances, you need to get your assignment done by the set time or you flunk it. Sure you might get lucky with an extension, maybe, but that’s always a gamble, so the best thing you can do is make sure you’ve got the job done.
That means putting in the time and effort to make sure you meet that deadline.
So if guilds haven’t gotten CE yet and want it, it’s up to them to step up and get it. It’s not up to Blizzard to give them more time at the expense of everyone else waiting for S4.
That’s all I’m going to say about this. Enjoy your debate. I hope the people pushing for CE get it. If they’re willing to put in the effort, they will. Otherwise tough luck, hope they do better in Dragonflight.
My uncle works for Blizzard.
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Halls of Fame =/= CE. Again.
Yes the numbers will rise until August given the nerf for Jailer but that people complained about it is absolutely not suprising. A guild up to 1.2-1.3k should not have to “fear” of getting CE. Or not much at least.
And no one has said this other than you. People are basing this on every tier thus far.
Once more a facepalm comparison. Your exams have a clear deadline the moment its up. This doesnt apply to Tiers. If Blizzard would say “ok this tier is up from X to Y” then it would be a completely different story and people could prepare accordingly or assume accordingly etc.
Read above. And S4 is nothing short of revamp anyway. You will raid Sepulcher again. And then SoD and CN on a weekly rotation.
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Yes, it does. Just because you did a little research doesn’t mean that you suddenly know about this stuff and are able to contribute to a serious discussion about this. Experience is important to really know how it works and what the problems are.
But what does this statement have to do with the number of people that have cleared this raid? The discussion isn’t even about whether Mythic raiding is hard and not for everybody but how incredibly bad tuned this single tier has been and how it affected the Mythic raiding scene. “Yeah well, it’s exclusive, deal with it” is not even a proper argument and this is the main thing that shows why you are not able to have a serious discussion about this.
The number of clears is a joke, it’s significantly lower than in other tiers. Not because mythic raiding is so exclusive but because the raid was totally overtuned. You don’t want to sit here and tell us that ca. 1000 guilds just quitted raiding or went back to AoTC, do you?
No one is even questioning that effort is needed. But if effort is not rewarded like in all the patches before, it leads to frustration in the raiding community. When raids are tuned so hard that only a small part of this community is able to clear it, when before they were all good enough, then Blizzard did something wrong.
Yup. I don’t understand this kind of attitude. “If you don’t make it, you’re just not trying” is such a weird mindset.
And when it comes to discussions on the internet, everybody has a brother or a friend in a WF guild or some family member that is an expert on the field that’s discussed.
Will this raid go down as the most nerfed of all time by a landslide?
It’s amazing that it seems to all be about the achievement itself rather than the actual fights and encounters.
Especially for people asking for CE to remain available in S4 I’ve seen requested.
A complete destination not journey mindset.