Or, you could be honest and say they are upset only 1 niche offers the best value and the player base that liked the other niches are getting screwed. This makes it so only 1 type of content gives the best rewards, even when the relative difficulty is not higher.
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Which “Legendaries given out like candy” are you referring to? Are you looking to have shadowlands legendaries nerfed, or did you not play Legion so you could pretend the system was very different from what it actually was.
While there was an rng factor in receiving Legion legendaries, players had to play a lot of hours of the right content to get them.
No, it quite literally means its harder. if a piece of content involves more people in order to get it done that most certainly has an effect on its difficulty level. The fact that 5 guys can group up and get rewards better and earlier than a group of 25 is beyond dumb. this game was built on getting groups of people together. this incentives that. and it will be good for the game overall
Also, this will cut down on all the carries for mythic. its funny i still see people on these forums looking up peoples achievements when most people pay for carries thru content. raider IO and achievement hunting has been pointless ever since the adaptation of carries .
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10 - 20 man is harder to recruit than 5
10- 20 super elites is even harder to recruit than 5 super elites
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Oh no, this is far from a ‘raid or die’.
There is just a limit on gear and trying to work out the item levels of things in different content BUT I think the m+ change is kind of a not so pretty band aid to fix something that affects another part of the game.
In my opinion Mythic raiding should always be the highest on the food chain. It should be the most difficult content and offer the best rewards.
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They have done this where it matters imo, and that is the last 2 bosses of the raid which are normally a massive step up from the rest (especially the last boss).
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You dont need 25 people to heroic raid. Thats just the usual over geared zerg groups that run it like that.
You can run a heroic raid with 10 competent people, its not hard, its just a longer encounter, also heroic raids drop BOE’s from trash- mythic+ doesnt.
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And M+ was always 10 ilvl lower than mythic raiding from drops even at the highest level. 2/3 of a difficulty tier lower with randomized drops. its now 22 ilvls lower.
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Yay recruitment simulator. Just what I wanted to play…
Easier raids than Shiva Savage by far but the actual bottleneck is getting 10 people to wack something with you. Eughhhhhhhhhh
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I’d rather see “raid or die” mentality than “M+ or die” mentality… atleast with raid or die I know I can work my way up to the gear at my own pace without having new content come out balanced for a much higher base power level.
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WoW hasn’t been “raid or die” in what. 4 years?
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Ironically you likely played the game less when it was raid or die lol.
Its just show up 1 night of the week for a weekly farm clear and be done.
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Actually I played more before mythic+ was a thing… because of the power gaps between raids now as a result of mythic+ I’ve felt far less incentive to even bother with endgame content as of late.
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This is what it is in FFXIV too, only raid and clear the current 4 tiers and then get outta the gmae for the other 6 days.
I really liked that WoW could have filled in that gap. Now apparently it’s just more of the same which is SO unappealing.
What I don’t like about this change is that raiders that do M+ will have an absolute advantage to doing 15+ mythic over the players who only do M+.
+15s will be for Heroic + Mythic raiders only; where as, players who only do M+ will be far behind in ilvl they will be lucky to just do +10-+14s by the end of the season.
We will see.
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Its why I feel it needs be beneficial rather than mandatory,
Right now its like “You want to do X then bring 10 guys” instead it should be"You can do X but if you want extra 3-4 items then bring 10 guys"
Never gonna happen 
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Exactly. With the new weekly chest selection model as well, people are going to exclusively form groups too.
At least with level scaling and all the other horrible game design decisions they have made, its just making the content even more unappealing.
Its not like the loot matters when in 4 months it will be obsolete anyways. At least when you could pick a gear route to level up. Now you will be in a position that you have to raid and do mythic plus.
Total no-life design for 3 months of gear…
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My Man another one saying that Shadowlands will suck OMG so many people agree with me i cant believe it. I wonder where Blizzard is to see this post. People say what i say. Blizzard has to give gear to all players so they can have fun with their PVP thinki.
What happens now is only guilds raid to gear up fast then you will have those Boost sellers who have boosting guilds and we will have another BFA sucking issue again with Boosters spamming all over again asking 300k gold for raid items.
Its impossible to PUG cause people will ask you for achievements and or will take for ever to gather up to make a proper PUG raid then in one bad pull 50% of raid will leave and the game will suck so bad and you will be pist on the game. It wont be fun at all.
Blizzard has to give gear to people either by Mythics by raids by quests by BGs so people can play equal terms equal gear so they can PVP. The point of having better gear is to PVP. This is what hordies do they raid heroics and mythics to gear up then the click the BG button to PVP. I see that all day PVP bg drops 425 gear while the conquest gives u 445 while all hordies are 475+ gear with 600K HP impossible to pvp. My Gear is 450 and i have hard time already. I cant kill siit.
Now they take this ability you had to gear up from Mythic+ dungeons and they ask you to raid heroic or mythic which is impossible cause you have no guild and you dont want to obey guild rules. You are a casual player who wants to spend 1hour playing and progress a bit be able to compete with other players who raid mythics but you cant cause Blizzard does not care for causal players they want people to burn down they want to boost the guilds the gold sellers the boost sellers they want you to go buy tokens so you pay the boost sellers 300k GOld for Mythic items yes that is Blizzard. Thats the HAZIKOSTAS model of things i wonder when blizzard gona learn to respect people’s time and money? I feel you man. You wont be able to gear up equal to a raider cause Blizzard does not care. Shadowlands will suck bad cause is another BFA.
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