Raid Lockout Questions

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  1. On Tuesday I clear 5 normal modes in BWD but not Nefarian. Even though /raidinfo lists a raid ID I can join a Nefarian run with anyone else on Wednesday?
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  2. On Sunday I clear 5 normal modes in BWD but not Nefarian. I cannot join a fresh BWD with anyone else on Monday, correct?
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  3. On Thursday I kill heroic Halfus. I am now locked to Bastion of Twilight with that exact (old-school) raid ID until reset.

4A. On Smaturday I kill Magmaw normal. Then on Smonderday I can join a different group that has killed Magmaw and Omnotron Defense Council and Atramedes?

4B. If 4A is yes, then if my Smonderday group fails to kill Maloriak or Chimaeron then later that evening I can join a raid that has killed Magmaw but nothing else so I can listen to Omnotron Defense Council’s super rad voice acting.

4C. If 4A is yes, then if my Smonderday group kills Maloriak it is no longer possible in any way for me to kill Omnotron Defense Council that week.

  1. I am in a raid group that kills Magmaw normal. The raid leader can swap the instance to heroic to see if Omnotron’s Defense Council voice acting is still cool on that difficulty.

5B. If 5 is yes, if we fail to kill them because we’re too distracted by their voice acting, I can join another group later that night that has killed exactly normal Magmaw.

5C. If 5 is yes, if we kill Heroic Omnotron Defense Council and equip their epic loots hoping it will change our /silly jokes to be in their voice, I am now locked to that raid ID and am either running with them or no one.

  1. I join a raid on Smoresday. The raid leader is trolling and has advertised the run as a fresh normal Bastion of Twilight but in actuality he has already killed Halfus on heroic. Do I receive a prompt when I log in?

6B. If Yes, does the prompt list exactly which bosses are killed?

6C. Regardless of whether a prompt exists, do I get locked sixty seconds after entering?

  1. I am in a 10 man normal Throne of the Four Winds. I decide to merge with a second raid group and run 25. We must exit before swapping to 25.

  2. I am in a 25 normal Throne of the Four Winds that has killed Conclave of Wind. We decide Al’Akir is easier in 10-man. We can exit, set to 10, and then 10 players can zone in and kill Al’akir on 10.

  3. I kill Heroic Conclave of Wind 25. We decide Al’Akir is easier on 10 heroic. Can we exit and re-form as 10s?

  4. I lead a group that kills Halfus 25 Heroic. Can someone that killed halfus 10 normal (and only halfus) join my raid?

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I didn’t study for this test.

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Neither did anyone else.

It’s funny, I wrote a post on whether GDKPs were in the terms of service and it started a flame war that’s at least 150+ posts long.

You ask a question about how raid lockouts work and crickets.

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The answer to all this is yes in a bug free game :stuck_out_tongue:

So no in anything blizzard puts out.

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Did ICC work like this and I just didn’t know it?

Where did they announce this at all?

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Yes, but only if the group is also on Nefarian.

This is the same as question 1, Tuesday is reset day, so you can only join a normal group that is also only on Nefarian.

You are locked out of Heroic versions of BoT. You can join a normal group on the second boss of BoT, but the group cannot swap it to heroic while you are in the raid.

Yes, you can skip bosses, you just cannot join normal raids that have bosses up that you have already cleared.

Yes, the lock is only supposed to occur on a boss kill. So because the group that skipped two bosses for you did not result in a kill, you haven’t locked out the previous bosses either.

Correct. Think of it like this, you killed Magmaw, which means you cannot join any normal raid in which magmaw is currently alive. If you join a raid that has Magmaw, Omnotron, and Archemedas dead and you kill malorak, then the state of that raid applies to you, and you can no longer join any raid that has any of those 4 bosses alive.

Swapping to heroic and failing to kill a boss does not create a raid lock, so it should be fine.

supposedly, yes.

Only for heroics. Since you theoretically killed Magmaw normal and Omnotron Heroic, you have a heroic raid lock, but you can still join a normal group that has both of these bosses already killed. That new group though will not be able to turn on heroic mode at any point.

Not sure if there is a prompt, but you can leave before you kill a boss and keep Halfus available.

Not sure

After a boss kill.

You have to leave the instance to swap 10/25 man. Shouldnt be a big deal in throne, because there is no trash mobs.

Yes.

No. You have a heroic lockout on 25 man Throne of the Four Winds. You can split up and do 10 man Al’akir normal though.

They should be able to join your group, since they currently do not have a heroic lockout.

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No, 10 man and 25 man had separate lockouts, and once you killed a boss on either mode, you were locked to that raid ID.

It’s not clearly stated anywhere, except on the cata launch page saying they are using the flexible raid system. Have to go back and look at their explanation from 2010, found here (https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/14713237976-flexible-raid-locks/ )

My answers to your questions about lockout switching from heroic to normal are assumptions based on this paragraph

But let’s say you are a member of a Heroic raid in Icecrown Citadel, and after killing Lord Marrowgar on Heroic you have Internet connection issues that prevent you from raiding for two nights. During those two nights, the rest of the raid kills everything. Without the Flexible Raid Lock system, you would be done with raiding Icecrown Citadel for the week. Ouch. With the Flexible Raid Lock system, you can join someone else’s raid as long as they are doing Normal difficulty. This would at least give you the opportunity to earn your Justice Points for the week. If this raid attempted to switch to Heroic difficulty for Icecrown Gunship Battle with you in the raid, the raid leader would receive an error message stating that she cannot change to Heroic, because someone in the raid (i.e., you) is already locked to a different Heroic instance.

Link to cata launch “explaination” (https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24064846/the-cataclysm-classic-pre-expansion-patch-goes-live-april-30#:~:text=Boss%20Based%20Raid%20Lock%20system)

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TYVM.

Definitely a little odd and counter-intuitive that they didn’t make a big deal about it, and also that if you kill a normal boss you get a Raid ID. (As opposed to the retail system where it lists the boss with an ‘X’ over it on the dungeon journal.)

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Well in retail you can kill the same boss over and over if you want, you just arent eligible for loot.

But retail’s “GDKP” economy is different, instead of GDKP, groups just run carries over and over all week and sell slots. So I guess pick your poison.

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It’s always been fairly buggy and never worked as advertised. They did make a big deal about it back in original wrath and Cata but it was always so cludgy I guess they just didn’t bother this time since it would have just been embarassing.

The issue doesn’t really get fixed until loot locks.

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lockouts are on a per boss schedule. regardless of it being normal/heroic or 10/25m.

that means you can join anyone for any group so long as they have the same bosses dead as you do. if you join a pug and kill Atromedes, you will still be saved to Magmaw/Omnitron since those two are required to be dead to fight Atromedes, but if the group doesn’t work out you can still join another different group that has also killed Atromedes.

this lockout system just combines the 10/25/n/h lockouts into one. it doesn’t mean you can join a group and kill a boss a second time and just not get loot from it

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I don’t think that’s correct, the reddit post had it listed that once you’re on heroic you get an old school ID. But I haven’t tested any of this.

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