Didn’t have the knowledge prior to playing classic wotlk, had to relearn the meta like everyine else.
Lol the gear has zero to do with it, lack of damage isnt the issue like i said deadly war and rogue are now full relentless. Two classes that “need” pve gear and dmg is impacted greatly by gear for these classes, yet it isnt a problem oh i wonder why.
Yes, mistakes for anyone, gear or not, is a big deal and why you lose. Knowledge is the only issue you people have and are unwilling to cure yourselves of it. Instead cry on here because you’re missing 3 relentless items or whatever lmfao
It has nothing to do with why you are hard stuck, dont be obtuse its lazy. Of course there are upgrades in a game lmao they arent holding you back its just your lack of knowledge and lack of willingness to improve.
Had to learn it like everyone else, it wasnt some instant process. Its a process youre unwilling to to through.
You’re like a caterpillar that wants to be a butterfly, but unwilling to make a cocoon.
That is how every player does it the first time on each character. You are a disappointment tbh why don’t you hold yourself accountable for your issues? No instead its the gear lmfao
lmao dude is a clown. Probably played with a skilled player that had more gear than his toons and now acts like gear is irrelevant. I geared up a fresh druid last season with a fresh priest buddy and I definitely felt that gear difference in some games. When a full geared toon opens up on your fresh priest with you in CC, that dude is dead… Or using all his CDs to die later. If skill is equal, what is the differentiator? gear. or rng I guess
Somebody who isnt even glad or R1 gatekeeping arena this hard is craaaazzzyyy
Telling you to imrpove yourself and research your comp is gatekeeping? Im the only one here telling you the truth, hold yourself accountable.
Btw i only play with friends, We get all their characters 2k+ and most of them are 1600 players. I help my friends, teach them what i know and we climb. Same process you could go through by researching why you are losing, but nah why do that lmao
Ah and here you are directing this at me.
I don’t even have this issue. I’m perfectly fine where I’m at.
This is for the general participation which is absolutely awful.
If it doesn’t apply to you, great, but everyone here crying about not having the last 3 relentless items and instead using furious (OH HUGE DEAL BTW) are who that is directed at. Nvm youre 1600 this is directed at you.
What a laughable take. Yes. By definition, not everyone can be gladiator. So, if you want others to participate, then they need incentive. Furthermore, giving a massive gear advantage to the better players is utterly moronic in a pvp game.
It isn’t massive, its negligible. Say you’re 1600, thats helmet, shoulder, and weapon that are furious. PVE GEAR is a massive difference, NOT the pvp gear lmao you guys are absolutely clueless. Complain about needing pve gear, which OP does, that at least makes sense. Your issue is you don’t have the knowledge to run your comp, maybe look into instead of crying about 3 items that are SOMEWHAT better stats you cant get because you havent improved yourself/strats.
Wrath META is largely trash, and has very little option for non-meta comps to advanced past a point.
PVP gear is massively gated for new players who cannot compete with out it.
Addons such as Weak Aura destroyed arena entry for new players / inexperienced players.
Literal cheating Rotation / CC bots / Kick bots) nuked mid low, mid high, high low, high mid, and high high brackets. In all the years I have played WoW I have never seen cheating like in Classic Wrath, and I thought the cheating in WoD / Legion / TBC Classic was bad, this was a whole new level.
ULD gear being buffed to a literal order of magnitude better than PVP gear (classic Wrath) destroyed last season participation… If you did not have specific items / weapons you were basically a non-factor.
All of these end up with super low participation compounding the issues above literally making all of the above far worse than they would be if there were like 100K players playing Arena.
I agree with most of your post, but the cheating you’re talking about is only really a thing at the highest of ratings and even then its not everybody, its uncommon and noticeable when it happens. Getting sheared at .1 on cast etc. People saw that rogue cc bot video and think the whole ladder does it lol it’s very blown out of proportion. It should be nuked by blizzard, but that wont happen ofc.
This is actually a pretty bad take though. You cant just will yourself into the top 10% or the top 30% of all of these experienced players. It is hard for people who have limited time or are new to arena. With gear so restricted its hard to be motivated to really play at all as a sub top 10% player. Even if you know the gear isnt the main issue, it feels bad. You should also want people to experience and enjoy arena, and enjoy the learning part. A healthy ladder is much more fun.
That’s the part everyone on this thread is unwilling to do and the entire point of all my responses. They are upset they’re 1600 or w/e and don’t have access to 3 relentless items and saying its not fair and the reason they are low rated lmao.
This describes them perfectly. They blame the lack of a couple items out of their rating as the reason they haven’t been able to improve. I’ve never seen so many uninformed people b!tch & moan about an issue only they can fix, but are unwilling to do anything about it.
Pick a real comp. Watch players better than you play it. You die vs a certain comp then go look for an example your comp beating it and watch their globals and strat. See how they won & emulate it. Look up how they’ve set their characters gear and spec see if it differs how you’ve built yours.
All of this is common sense and required to learn anything other than trial & error by playing a lot. The people replying negatively to this are people who have blamed their bad arena experiences on lack of pvp gear because rating… it has ZERO to do with gear. A sub rogue has trouble without arp this phase & next, but things like this are exclusively pve gear. Everyone here is complaining they can’t buy relentless shoulder+helm+wep & have to use furious lol.
Ill have another priest 80 tonight, hes 79 right now, and ill be 2k in blues/deadly gear before anyone else that has replied to me in this thread so far blaming gear as the reason. Clearly its just a knowledge gap, they just need to go through the process to improve themselves & team. If you just que 10 games and feel discouraged, like ANYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, research and improve yourself. You can’t become a butterfly without going through the cocoon phase lol. Bunch of whiny children hf.
Arena sucks. There isn’t a “bunch of” anything regarding Arena bc like 30 people care about it. It’s a tiny niche part of of the tiny niche of players who PvP in Classic. And Blizzard has made sure no one cares to try it, always have really. That’s why WoWs PvP has been laughed at since Arena(their budding esport…how’d that go?) started. I’ll give them credit, it made some content creators some cash .
I hear people will PvP in first season of Cata, though…to get PvP set bonuses…for pve.
Always sad and amusing simultaneously to see chumps like this Thugatron guy who desperately want to be jester of the ashes instead of see their hobby thrive.
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