Raid Adjustments Discussion

Lmao. tell them to get mana pots and dark runes

Found the dummy. Almost every single one of if not all of those trash changes are in the game already. The trash is already laughable as its been in its nerf state. Talk about not reading and comprehending. Please go through every one of those changes and then think about the trash in its current form.

Scary part…we have mana pots and dark runes.
And we do innervates.

Then its a myriad of things.

  • Are you getting the elites and striders down before others spawn?
  • Are people poisoned by tainted getting cleansed?
  • Are too many people getting hit with the forked lightning?
  • Are you using nets on striders?
  • Are people getting cleaved by the elite?

8/10 guilds for the most part have the gear to walk right into P3 and make waves, What they dont have is the following

  1. Wise leadership and discipline to clear trash effectively (P3 is easier than P2) but its logistically worse due to shear raid size of BT and then you couple it with Hyjal at the same time, think what most guilds who struggled to clear Naxx in Classic would do if Naxx and Aq40 were dropped at the same time

  2. consistent 25 man roster, this is a bigger issue than gear because it also stresses gearing. A lot of 8/10 guilds are not running every week with 25 guild member’s grabbing 2-5 pugs from trade chat every week who need an explanation per boss of what to do and trash has to be pulled more cautiously and at a slower pace wasting more time. and obviously these pugs often become gear dumps that wont be with you next week.

what is often overlooked as a huge difference between early 10/10 guilds and late 8/10 guilds is not only a skill/effort disparity but you get into the very real advantage of raid roster build. the 8/10 guilds are often pugging in 5 members or 20% of there raid weekly, this leads to melee groups that dont have WF, Caster grps that dont have ele shaman, healing grps without a spriest, Arcane mages who wont see a innervate, 1 or 2 paladin blessings instead of 3. The hardcore week 1-2 full clear guilds generally have there whole raid optomized from day 1 because they recruited and retained exactly what they wanted to increase the performance of every individual group within the raid.

a P2 Bis geared Arcane Mage with no lusts, ele shaman, spriest, BoK and innervate(s) is going to lose handidly to a Arcane Mage receiving all those things in pre-raid bis (no T5). group composition and raid synergy is easily more powerful than gear.

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Can you banish the lurkers right now?

So 100% of the guild logs and make them public right? Non-tryhard are not really into this kind of stuff, my guild just recently liked our name to our logs that one guy was uploading for the hell of it.

Would look at you logs if you had any uploaded for your vash attempts but you don’t. idk what to tell you if you have resto shamans have them in the middle with a spreist and any other healer roaming to heal people at the bottom. not everyone has to be healing constantly at max. I can because I know how to manage mana and have a soul priest but for other healers they need to leave the raid healing to those who can raid heal

This is my alt.
The 2nd raid group has only done SSC and they have never gotten Tidewalker down.

The group my Pally is in was the one taking the Vash pulls this week and we were missing a person.
we’ll see how the next raid goes and I’ll link some logs if we still are not getting to Phase 3.

I appreciate the advice and offer for help from everyone!

Serpentshrine Lurker have 279,440HP according the Wowhead right now. The further info on their HP come from July 27th 2007 version of https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Serpentshrine_Lurker?oldid=785252 that say they have 120 000HP. This date put us right after 2.1 so it was in the first wave of nerf. If having less than 50% of HP is not a nerf to you…

The issue with those post-nerf vs nerf discussion is most people just repeat the stuff they heard left or right, we don’t have a complete list of stats changes between 2.0 vs 2.1 and even further down.

No, but if you’re serious about the content you should be. Why should all content be able to be cleared by 100% of your playerbase?

Lol. Imagine thinking this because you got carried by the rest of your raid to go 10/10.

Fair, if my guild can’t figure it out by then, we don’t deserve to.

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So where are we putting the gate? People love keeping gate.

1383/4676 US guilds have full cleared, meaning only 29.6% of US guilds have cleared.

this is obviously not a mirror of vanilla tbc.

He’s also just wrong, and being a douche for no reason. They nerfed the trash significantly.

Remove attunements for SSC/TK at the same time

after parsing through the posts here it seems like some of you should stick to mobile games

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“If you can’t beat the level 100 of Candy Crush you should be playing at all” That how you sound.

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