Well, when devs are on Twitter telling us to “shut the hell up” because we don’t work on the game and we couldn’t possibly know what we want.
That’s your personal thing, you had 2 months to clear it, you probably won’t as the game progresses so keeping it unnerfed for vanity sake seems to be a little silly.
Personally they shouldn’t nerf bosses but there’s also no reason at this point in the phase to not nerf them. There’s been 8 weeks to do it for a 15 year old raid. I say 8 weeks is plenty of time.
Why should it be nerfed so you can clear it? That’s devaluing the loot that drops off those bosses, while robbing people of the achievement of actually clearing it pre-nerf. Lowering the bar is not a good stance in any metric of life.
I’ve already cleared it.
Funny how you mention lowering the bar because how much lower can it be for this fight?
You had months and months to get phase 1 bis gear. You had over a month to practice SSC on the PTR and 2 months of live to clear it. Exactly how much time do you need for your own personal desires?
I see nothing wrong with people who are in 8/10 guilds asking for the nerf. The people who were going to clear it prepped, practiced and downed her. Those that can’t, aren’t suddenly going to git gud and beat her anytime soon.
take china out cause they play a different game. Then add up all the guilds that are 7/10-9/10. They outnumber the 10/10 guilds. There are less than 2800 guilds in NA/OCE/EU that are 10/10 and 4200 that are 7/10-9/10
“Re-phrase your argument because I don’t agree with it”
No thanks. There’s more 10/10 guilds than 7,8,9/10 guilds.
Some of you people are downright silly.
You know what lowering the bar does? Stop the lesser skilled guilds from dying which in turn helps player retention. We are 10/10. We have been clearing for weeks. We dont care about it getting nerfed other than maybe trying to clear both raids in one night. I’m on Mankirk. 8/10 guilds are dying daily. Literally anywhere from 1-3. This is causing players to quit. Its just not good for the health of the game.
They gave us the pre-nerf fights. They were always going to nerf them. This has been known since the start. The guilds that are clearing shouldn’t care if its nerfed and the guilds that are 8/10 should welcome the relief.
Its a win/win.
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You are high as heck if you think there are more 10/10 guilds than there are 8/10 lolol. Like on that good stuff.
That’s not true at all, if the content was easy to clear you’d have 0 player retention. Following your logic, they should make the raids as easy as possible, because that’s how you get people to play your game right?
It’s on Warcraft Logs, a public website.
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My man, FINALLY someone gets it.
There’s been so much time for these fights that the people who can/were going to down them have. Many 8/10 guilds aren’t bad but they’re not going to down pre-nerf KT/Vashj anytime soon, if ever. All they’re going to do is lose players and maybe by the time the fights are nerfed, may not even have the players to down the nerfed versions.
You are completely clueless then… There’s a reason the VAST majority of chinese guilds are 10/10 and it is skewing the numbers. They play a completely different game than us. Look at the stuff they pull off, much or it is simply impossible to do on servers actually run by Blizzard.
But you have no idea how to consume the data you are reading…
They play on the same patch, same difficulty, and if I recall Kibler’s Bits was recently nerfed because they were using it to kite Vashj. What’s different?
You are assuming that every guild raid logs lol. On mankrik alone I have looked up people i know that have raided yet they have no logs.
And its very true that making nerfing the content like they did in original will help retain players. Those 8/10 guilds need to get the loot to continue into the next tier. It would help them tremendously. We probably have 1 , 1.5 months left til p3…
Link us your logs pls if you dont mind.
My logs are under my name
Then that’s part of the reason they can’t clear it, it’s a great tool for improving your personal and guild performance.
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At this phase of the game if an 8/10 guild loses even a few players they maybe screwed for good. The only free people now are probably going to be terrible, toxic or fresh.
Getting into SSC takes a lot of time and effort for the attunements which puts pressure on an already stressed and fractured guild.
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Could also be a case of the guilds that are stuck at 8/10 are basically losing out on people because people leave or quit, thus leading to less 8/10 guilds.
I know my guilds been at 8/10, we’ve been making progress, but I also knew it causes tension and alot of negative emotions and we’ve had few of our core guild group just up and stop playing because they are tired of the pointless wall.
it’s a decade+ old content, there is no reason to stress yourself into going grey early on it.
If you cleared the content already, you got your “Pride and Accomplishment” done and over with. There is no reason to not make it more accessible (Like they planned to do from the start, the pre-nerfs were never intended to be permanent)
I don’t understand why some people are so against this, besides the fact they want to try to act superior in a 10+ year old game.
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Because lowering the bar is not a good method for player retention. A big appeal of TBC classic was having difficult content for the length of the tier, not taken back halfway through because 100% of players can’t clear the content. Having 100% of your playerbase clear the current content is awful game design.
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We are at the end of the tier and need to get 25+ people attuned. It’s time.
You are out here acting like you speak for everyone. If your guild is the one on benediction, you have zero issue with retention. Its a massive issue in the 8/10 guilds. I know first hand by talking in our leadership channels on the mankrik discord. Every day guilds are posting that they are disbanding due to people burning out with all the wiping on the blocks. People are hitting the wall like they did back in the day. Its no difference now. Helping those guilds out is only a positive for the game. The fact that its not getting through that noggin is comical.