I had forgotten about this but this video showed up in my youtube auto play and now im worried.
What are your thoughts?
Quick rundown: Queue dodging ruins pvp because it makes casual pvp players more likely to face teams they cant beat and makes trying to rank up less fun because you just dodge every game that is against a team you cant stomp and turn pvp ranking into a mindless grind. Possible solution would be easy to implement: give people a 15 minute deserter buff for leaving queue.
So? You show how to do the exploit hoping people won’t use it? That’s some good thinking there Lou.
That’s how exploits get fixed. You popularize them to grab the attention of the devs.
What you are doing is PROMOTING the exploit. By your logic, why not promote videos of the most popular botting software and how to use it. That’ll get the devs attention.
What you need to do is send the video link to hacks@blizzard.com
While I agree with your assessment, pretending these things don’t exist doesn’t help fix the problem. Let’s bring attention to the problem, and make them fix it, if it exists.
I can see how it could be a problem but after watching the video it seems like people are just creating problems to get worried about.
My biggest issue is that he is basing this off of private servers. My next issue has to do with how he explained it and its repercussions. He gave a lot of specifics to perpetuate an overall worse outcome to a problem that has many changing variables. People watch this and hear 80% and I think over react not realizing he created that number.
The only thing I could say he got right are that it becomes a bigger issue the more people do it but even with that there is still a chance you could be dodging and still mostly come up against pre-mades essentially defeating the while purpose of what you’re trying to do in the first place.
Except that solution punishes people like me who had to take his pupper outside, take a pee, etc…
although a “queue pause” might help that and woulda been nice already.
you don’t know how to dodge then if you ever came up against another premade. it’s a real problem and will be a real problem on release if it’s not addressed.
Sounds kinda funny, I remember getting in groups with people who were spying on enemy faction.
I can consider that bad behavior.
Well isn’t the solution to your problem is to teach pugs how to fight premades.
I never really ran into premade problems in classic, only twinking premades.
We don’t really need desert in classic because when ever someone que dodged it caused there not to be enough players and battlegrounds kicked you out because of that.
Well sometimes probably should function like that and make the team que again to get another match.
Deserter debuff is anti classic, even though its understandable.
Bottom line is in bfa warsong gulch has a timer and av as reinforcements meaning if a group joined late game they would never have a way of turning the match around.
Queue dodging is probably another reason we shouldn’t have cross realm battlegrounds to make it easier to deal with, because no matter who you talk to anymore they won’t respond to you they won’t try to win the battleground because they have a choice of leaving it because of unlimited supply.
It leaves no room to grow as a faction together, because factions are about being on the same side and sticking it to the other side.
pvp ranking is you versus your own faction at the bare bones of it.
Drawing attention to an exploit does not encourage the exploit, but neither does it draw dev attention to the exploit.
I guarantee that this is an exploit that the devs are aware of, just as I guarantee that every single premade who would stoop to using exploits to roll pugs all day already knows how to do it.
The only thing to be gained by drawing attention to exploits like this is to spread awareness to non-cheaters. Large numbers of people knowing about the cheats, and getting upset, and demanding a fix is the only thing that’s going to precipitate a fix. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Ok.
But does the system with the newer engine work the same as this system?
Or we could actually just punish people intentionally gaming the system instead of punishing people who miss queues for legitimate reasons.
Actually no if they go with the current system they have for CRBG’s.
You can’t join as a raid and it’s actually fairly hard to game by getting everyone to click join at the same time, our guild tried, for a long time we liked to run guild BG’s and stomp non full raids…
Thanks for the rundown. When I saw the length at 10:10 I immediately assumed it was unnecessarily long and passed on viewing.
Except that would require a strong CS presence, which is not going to happen, because it would cost activision money. Our options are punish nobody or have the occasional casual person have to wait 15 minutes because the queue pop coincided with their dog needing out, their pizza arriving, or their kid pouring a glass of juice out on the carpet.
A solution I can see that would be relativley easy to do is to make higher rank players worth more honor and lower less based on your own ranking within battlegrounds (this way world pvp isn’t affected). Also implementing the deserter debuff for not accepting que like suggested would also help.
that is already the case; it ain’t enough to work
and, @OP, how about, instead of giving them deserter, you just add a 15 minute cooldown to entering BG queues
What would be the consequences of slowing down the non-casual people who want to grind BG after BG after BG? Wouldn’t it increase queue times overall?
Reporting something that isn’t a hack but quite literally using the own games mechanics doesn’t seem intelligent. It’s not an exploit, it’s something the game mechanics themselves allow and it was also a problem in early arena seasons when people would queue dodge or even queue up at random hours just to not play against better players if they were losing.
Problem is you can’t solve the problem. There is a lot more scummy stuff that happens than queue dodging. Some groups actually pay opposite faction groups to stall out games against competing premades. Since WSG has no time limit for example, you can see 10 man turtles because the dampening or whatever makes efc take more damage doesn’t exist that hold the game for an hour.
Most of this problem is solved by the fact most premade runners abide by brackets in order to not force themselves to farm 23 hours a day. They play premades to stomp bgs but unless you have bracket breakers they all tend to follow limits that aren’t just within their own premade. When you do have bracket breakers that’s when you get the whole 2 million honor a week thing free for all.